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The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #133928
05/31/11 05:02 PM
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Rosangela,

If the Bible taught what you are asking it to teach (it doesn't), the following Godly men would all have been "adulterers."

Abraham
Jacob
Elkanah
David
Solomon

...and a good many more. God Himself would have portrayed Himself as an adulterer, marrying two sisters at that.

Notice that for Hosea, he was not depicted as an adulterer, but was to marry one. The setting for that, though, is intriguing. "Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine." (Hosea 3:1)

When Hosea receives this command, it appears, his bride-to-be is already an adulteress. That's something to chew on.

Interesting, too, the connection here between adultery and wine. More food for thought.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133932
05/31/11 05:13 PM
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Yes, GC, all those men were adulterers, although they thought they weren't. They thought the standard of the world was the standard of God. But it wasn't. They will only be saved because "the times of ignorance God overlooked."

About Hosea, there are many opinions about the passage. Many think that the woman wasn't an adulteress when Hosea married her, but became one later. According to your own words, how could she be an adulteress before being married? In case she committed adultery while she was bethroted to him, the innocent party could - and still can - forgive the guilty party.

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Interesting, too, the connection here between adultery and wine.

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What is it?

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #133934
05/31/11 05:34 PM
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No, Rosangela, those men were not adulterers. Polygamists, yes. But those are two separate concepts. Polygamy is not necessarily adultery.

It's back to the definition of adultery: illicit relations with your neighbor's wife/husband. When it is your own wife, belonging to no one else, it cannot be adultery.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133936
05/31/11 05:38 PM
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Regarding Hosea, his wife was already an adulteress, meaning she had already been married, not to Hosea, and was committing adultery OR she was committing harlotry with married persons, not being married herself. The question marks come with respect to "her friend." We are not told much about who that might be.

Regarding the wine, feel free to offer your thoughts on that part.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133938
05/31/11 05:50 PM
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No, Rosangela, those men were not adulterers. Polygamists, yes. But those are two separate concepts. Polygamy is not necessarily adultery.

Paul says it is for women. So you are saying it isn't for men?


The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133940
05/31/11 05:55 PM
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Quote:
Regarding Hosea, his wife was already an adulteress, meaning she had already been married, not to Hosea, and was committing adultery OR she was committing harlotry with married persons, not being married herself. The question marks come with respect to "her friend." We are not told much about who that might be.

You are saying that, not the Bible. If she was married and was committing adultery, she would have been stoned, together with the person who committed adultery with her. If she was committing harlotry with married persons, she and those persons also would have been stoned. How come this didn't happen?

Quote:
Regarding the wine, feel free to offer your thoughts on that part.

The only relation I see between alcohol consumption and polygamy is what I have already said.

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #133941
05/31/11 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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No, Rosangela, those men were not adulterers. Polygamists, yes. But those are two separate concepts. Polygamy is not necessarily adultery.

Paul says it is for women. So you are saying it isn't for men?


Yes, that is what the Bible appears to teach.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133942
05/31/11 06:02 PM
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That's what you teach. smile

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #133943
05/31/11 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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Regarding Hosea, his wife was already an adulteress, meaning she had already been married, not to Hosea, and was committing adultery OR she was committing harlotry with married persons, not being married herself. The question marks come with respect to "her friend." We are not told much about who that might be.

You are saying that, not the Bible. If she was married and was committing adultery, she would have been stoned, together with the person who committed adultery with her. If she was committing harlotry with married persons, she and those persons also would have been stoned. How come this didn't happen?

How come the woman brought to Jesus was not stoned? Stoning did not always happen. The witch of Endor survived too. On the other hand, Nadab and Abihu were struck down by God Himself for their drunken sin, but Noah and Lot were not.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #133944
05/31/11 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
That's what you teach. smile


If you think I'm the one teaching this, and that polygamy is adultery according to the Bible, you need to explain to me why God gave commands governing polygamy.

Gray areas are not necessarily easy to understand, especially via our ordinary logic.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

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