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Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: His child] #134188
06/06/11 06:31 AM
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It is quite telling to me that neither you, His Child, nor Mark can substantiate your interpretation with what the Bible actually is pointing out as the indentifying element for those Two Witnesses. (E.g, Rev 11:6). Are we to accept your view without proof and thus just because you claim it is to be so???


“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: His child] #134189
06/06/11 06:32 AM
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NJK: Seems to me, from your perspective that this then is a major problem as ‘prophetic time is ticking by’ if not ‘has already passed by’. If as you claimed, started to preach the Loud Cry in 2007, then why haven’t other associated prophetic developments to this Latter Rain event, including as per you, “timed prophecies”, also transpired?? It seem to me that you are needing time to reset your prophetic studies and its ‘clock.’

His child: you did not understand my reply. when I set up the gmail account for Loud Cry Publishing. Loud cry was already taken. They gave me several suggestions as I recall, but it was 2007 at the time and I went with loudcry.2007....


Really??!! Do you really expect me to believe that. What’s there ‘not to understand’ as I did from:

Originally Posted By: His child Post #133897 page 19
3)2007 is the year that I began giving the loud cry


That did not at all say nor imply that you chose "2007" ‘merely’ because that happened to be the year when you were selecting an email address.

Originally Posted By: His child
The more I read of your replies to my postings, the more I feel like I am being attacked by the accuser of the brethren. But if the Jews of Christ's day treated Him as they did, who am I to expect any different from the members of the Church that I have worked for for so many years and supported so sacrificially?


That is the pet reply for those who cannot accept valid correction (see PK 139.4-142.2). The actual problem is that what you are purporting to be Truth is full of untruths all derived from an unbiblical method of interpreting and understanding Scripture/Prophecy. So the blame is entirely on you. I recommend that you either start being factual and Biblical in your work or, at the very least, stop taking money for them.


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Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: His child] #134190
06/06/11 06:40 AM
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His child, what is your Biblical evidence for your various claims of how a king’s first & last years were reckoned and particularly your claimed “overshadowing” implications?? On top of making no logical sense at all, I see nothing of the sort in the Bible! Did you ever read Edwin Thiele’s (an SDA) “Mysterious Number of Hebrew Kings”. It is quite eduational/enlightening on the reckoning of Hebrew Kings. It’s available online in Google Books


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Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: His child] #134199
06/06/11 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child

But when he speaks of the beast's head getting wounded, we know that that could be symbolic or literal. Symbolically, the papacy was wounded and the wound was healed in 1929. Then when the prophecy met its final fulfillment, Pope John-Paul II was literally wounded and that wound was healed. And after his physical healing, Reagan healed the papacy's political wound on America's behalf by recognizing J-P II as head of church and state.
The secret is to study to show yourself approved of God a workman rightly dividing the word of truth and prayerfully seeking the aid of the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth. And to study correctly, we have to be willing to yield to the Spirit's leading. When we cling to our opinions the Spirit will finally leave us to the idols of our choosing and the light will move away from us leaving us in darkness.
I don't know, but I'm just thinking that while prophecies in Daniel did specifically name or point out Nebuchadnezzar, I don't see it further specifically pointing out individuals. For whether it's this one or that one, they are under Satan and the prophecy deals with him and whoever yields to him. EGW says that Satan will personate Christ. Nothing about some pope. I tend to think it would be clinging to one's opinion to cling to favorite individuals.

If as MM asked, that Obama should leave office, where does that leave you?

Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: kland] #134200
06/06/11 02:26 PM
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And then Mr Obama will have a personality change.
Thinking he'll get better?

Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: His child] #134210
06/06/11 03:42 PM
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HC: On the ascension year model the old king's last year runs through New Year's Day of the new year that follows his last year. Since Obama could leave office on 20 January 2013, it is possible using that model that an American President could follow him from 20 Jan 2013 until no later than 1 Jan 2014. Or if the March New Year's day is applied a post Obama President could be in office for less than three months. Regarding Pope Benedict, when he is removed from office Pope John-Paul II (Satan impersonating him) becomes the head of the papacy.

M: I don't understand your comments about President Obama, if he leaves office 20 Jan 2013, continuing until 1 Jan 2014. How is that possible? Is George Bush still President?

HC: In Bible times a king's reign was calculated one of two ways. His ascension year was his first year or he got credit for his final year in its entirety.

The ascension year method: old king dies, new king in office sometime after New Years Day. New king gets credit for entire year and on the next New Years Day, he begins his second year.

Last year method: old king dies, new king in office sometime after New Years Day. Old king gets credit for his entire last and on the next New Years Day, the new kings begins his first year.

So when a king dies after new year's day he either gets that year as his first year or he has to wait for New year's day to begin his reign. Thus with either system, if a king were to come into office on June 1 and leave office on November 20, he would not even be counted since the old king or the new king that is in office on New Year's Day would completely overshadow the short timer king.

so if Obama leaves office after New Years day the next president by one Bible standard would not be counted until he reached New years day (January 1, 2014). Or if the Hebrew Calendar was used New Years day falls on (February 11, 2013).

So depending of what New Year's day is used the length of time for the post-Obama President could be a month or about 11 months after Mr. Obama is out of office.

But since Mr. Obama is the last President identified in bible prophecy, I expect we will see more evidence of prophecy fulfilled before we reach those dates. As I read it Iran is going to attack America in the near future. And then Mr Obama will have a personality change.

At what point will you say, "President Obama is no longer president and my interpretation failed to fulfill"?

Also, what do you mean by "Iran is going to attack America in the near future"? How, when, where, etc? Also, what do you mean by "Mr Obama will have a personality change"?

Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: kland] #134221
06/07/11 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
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And then Mr Obama will have a personality change.
Thinking he'll get better?
To know about the image beast study the papacy. It did not improve when it had absolute power


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: Mountain Man] #134223
06/07/11 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
[quote=His child]HC: On the ascension year model the old king's last year runs through New Year's Day of the new year that follows his last year. Since Obama could leave office on 20 January 2013, it is possible using that model that an American President could follow him from 20 Jan 2013 until no later than 1 Jan 2014. Or if the March New Year's day is applied a post Obama President could be in office for less than three months. Regarding Pope Benedict, when he is removed from office Pope John-Paul II (Satan impersonating him) becomes the head of the papacy.

M: I don't understand your comments about President Obama, if he leaves office 20 Jan 2013, continuing until 1 Jan 2014. How is that possible? Is George Bush still President?

HC: In Bible times a king's reign was calculated one of two ways. His ascension year was his first year or he got credit for his final year in its entirety.

The ascension year method: old king dies, new king in office sometime after New Years Day. New king gets credit for entire year and on the next New Years Day, he begins his second year.

Last year method: old king dies, new king in office sometime after New Years Day. Old king gets credit for his entire last and on the next New Years Day, the new kings begins his first year.

So when a king dies after new year's day he either gets that year as his first year or he has to wait for New year's day to begin his reign. Thus with either system, if a king were to come into office on June 1 and leave office on November 20, he would not even be counted since the old king or the new king that is in office on New Year's Day would completely overshadow the short timer king.

so if Obama leaves office after New Years day the next president by one Bible standard would not be counted until he reached New years day (January 1, 2014). Or if the Hebrew Calendar was used New Years day falls on (February 11, 2013).

So depending of what New Year's day is used the length of time for the post-Obama President could be a month or about 11 months after Mr. Obama is out of office.

But since Mr. Obama is the last President identified in bible prophecy, I expect we will see more evidence of prophecy fulfilled before we reach those dates. As I read it Iran is going to attack America in the near future. And then Mr Obama will have a personality change.

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man

At what point will you say, "President Obama is no longer president and my interpretation failed to fulfill"?


When my faith in the word of God is proved to be correct, I will lament for those that did not consider their soul of sufficient value to look at the evidence. But should I have made a mistake in my Bible study, I will admit it when it is clear that such a thing has happened.

God and I have had this conversation more than once. And He always says dig a little deeper and some new aspect of prophecy comes to light that strengthens my resolve to go by faith in His word and not by sight.
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man

Also, what do you mean by "Iran is going to attack America in the near future"? How, when, where, etc?


I never said I was a prophet. Just a Bible student. As the papacy uprooted three kings in the Western Roman Empire, Bush and Obama have "fell" two nations (Afghanistan and Iraq) in what was once the Eastern Roman Empire that was also divided by 10-tribes. As I read Iran is the third nation to be "fell" and they attack or provoke us.

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man

Also, what do you mean by "Mr Obama will have a personality change"?
To understand the image beast study the beast, the papacy. After the three horns were plucked up in the Western Roman Empire, the papacy changed from a religious leader to a relio-political leader. I expect church and state will be united under President Obama and he will become a religio-political leader as well - dictating Sunday worship...


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: His child] #134237
06/07/11 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: His Child
HC: Since Obama could leave office on 20 January 2013, it is possible using that model that an American President could follow him from 20 Jan 2013 until no later than 1 Jan 2014.

M: At what point will you say, "President Obama is no longer president and my interpretation failed to fulfill"?

HC: But should I have made a mistake in my Bible study, I will admit it when it is clear that such a thing has happened.

If things continue beyond 1 Jan 2014 will you admit your interpretation was wrong?

And, if a pope other than Satan impersonating a resurrected John Paul II replaces Pope Benedict, will you admit your interpretation was wrong?

Re: Obscure Prophetic Statements by EG White [Re: Mountain Man] #134245
06/07/11 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: His Child
HC: Since Obama could leave office on 20 January 2013, it is possible using that model that an American President could follow him from 20 Jan 2013 until no later than 1 Jan 2014.

M: At what point will you say, "President Obama is no longer president and my interpretation failed to fulfill"?

HC: But should I have made a mistake in my Bible study, I will admit it when it is clear that such a thing has happened.

If things continue beyond 1 Jan 2014 will you admit your interpretation was wrong?


If I am wrong, I will admit it.
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man

And, if a pope other than Satan impersonating a resurrected John Paul II replaces Pope Benedict, will you admit your interpretation was wrong?




MM:The pope after Benedict scenario could run the same as the Obama scenario. A pope could intervene for less than 12 months that would not be counted as a pope or I am told that Benedict could become an anti-pope and thus have his pontificate reign nullified and replaced by another before Satan takes the reigns. But we should know by 1 Jan 2014 (probably sooner) and I would be the first to admit I was wrong if that were the case.

The way you keep coming back to this; you either don't know that the time of trouble spoken of by Daniel the prophet has begun or you think it will last a really long time.

Perhaps you think that I am wrong about that also.

It is important to follow the light of prophecy and constantly stay near Jesus and His light. When the light moves, those that failed to stay close to it eventually find themselves in utter darkness.

Remember the parable of the Ten Virgins: They ALL wake up! But some too late. By God's grace I awoke in time. Can you say the same?


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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