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Re: Ellen White and the view on the 'daily' [Re: Colin] #135028
07/07/11 12:49 AM
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If one only presents two options -- as in

1. The chapter is speaking of the earthly sanctuary with it's services, with Ephiphanes as a key player etc. which is basically the pretreist view.
OR

2. The chapter only concern is the exaltation of paganism throughout history and God will cleanse paganism out...

well, then any historicist would choose option #2.

HOWEVER -- I don't agree with either of those options.

Daniel's visions point us to the HEAVENLY sanctuary, not the earthly.

Yes, there are lots of symbols in Daniel.
The earthly sanctuary was itself a symbol -- a type . It's relevance is in helping us to understand Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary, not to draw attention to itself as the fulfilment.
Thus our reference to the earthly is to study it's symbolic practices in order to understand Christ's ministry in heaven. Daniel's visions are about Christ's work in the HEAVENLY sanctuary AFTER Christ's ascension to heaven.

The "daily" does not include sacrificing --
WHY?
Because Christ already made the one and only all sufficent sacrifice by the time He enters the Holy Place in the Heavenly sanctuary! So of course the daily does not include sacrificing.

However, if "daily" means "paganism", then sacrifices are included, for paganism had lots of sacrifices and the papal take over continues with "sacrifices" offering Christ afresh every day in their mass.


Yes, Daniel is full of sanctuary symbols -- and the MAIN message, for me, is how it unfolds the work in the HEAVENLY sanctuary, and Christ's work there.

Indeed, on earth satan is very busy opposing that work and that is quite graphically shown in the prophecies as well, but the BIG and most important part is Christ's work in the HEAVENLY sanctuary.

Re: Ellen White and the view on the 'daily' [Re: dedication] #135039
07/08/11 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Indeed, on earth satan is very busy opposing that work and that is quite graphically shown in the prophecies as well, but the BIG and most important part is Christ's work in the HEAVENLY sanctuary.

Indeed. To keep us in darkness and unrepentant until probation closes is Satan's constant aim. All sins must be confessed to the Mediator before He (Michael/Christ) stands up. We must avail ourselves of his continual ministry if we hope to be reconciled to the Father. Continual repentance, overcoming, moving from strength to strength.
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Re: Ellen White and the view on the 'daily' [Re: gordonb1] #135079
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1
Originally Posted By: dedication
Indeed, on earth satan is very busy opposing that work and that is quite graphically shown in the prophecies as well, but the BIG and most important part is Christ's work in the HEAVENLY sanctuary.

Indeed. To keep us in darkness and unrepentant until probation closes is Satan's constant aim. All sins must be confessed to the Mediator before He (Michael/Christ) stands up. We must avail ourselves of his continual ministry if we hope to be reconciled to the Father. Continual repentance, overcoming, moving from strength to strength.
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Originally Posted By: dedication
If one only presents two options -- as in

1. The chapter is speaking of the earthly sanctuary with it's services, with Ephiphanes as a key player etc. which is basically the pretreist view.
OR

2. The chapter only concern is the exaltation of paganism throughout history and God will cleanse paganism out...

well, then any historicist would choose option #2.

HOWEVER -- I don't agree with either of those options.


I have been following this thread wondering if it would ever go anywhere.

Some thoughts on the "Daily"

Ellen White cautioned those in her day not to get hung up on the daily. I believe that caution was because it was to be revealed as time continues to near its close. There are allot of EGW quotes that say Daniel and John (Revelation) are to explain themselves by their fulfillment.

Has the endtime daily been fulfilled?

Daily as rendered in Strong’s also means:

08548 דימת tamiyd taw-meed’
from an unused root meaning to stretch; n m; {See TWOT on 1157 @@ "1157a"}
AV-continually 53, continual 26, daily 7, always 6, alway 4, ever 3, perpetual 2, continual employment 1, evermore 1, never 1; 104

1) continuity, perpetuity, to stretch
1a) continually, continuously (as adverb)
1b) continuity (subst)

Thus from the context in Daniel, the daily is something or someone who is to continue

We know that sacrifice has often been added by the translators to convey what they thought was the essence of what Daniel was saying. (added word sacrifice removed below). And since the translators understood daily as being linked to sacrifice, they often have other instances where their renditions of Daniel reflect their "understandings"

The word translated as "host" IS also "appointed time" In the context since Daily conveys an amount of time to continue, the rendition of an appointed time is something that must be considered. An appointed time continues how long? Or how long until the appointed time?

These texts mention the daily. I have removed from them added words that are not in the original, but that were not identified as having been added by the translators (added words are usually placed in italics - thus by not putting them in italics, it gives the impression that they belong to the text rather than they are man's interpretation). You can readily check the verses that I have adjusted in the Bible of your choosing or compare them to Strong's:

Originally Posted By: Daniel 8:11
Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince for the appointed time, his continuation <08548> was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.


Someone magnified himself even to the prince for the appointed time. Then some part of speech relating to continuing indicates that his continuation was taken away. Place also is foundation. Thus when he was not allowed to continue, the foundation which is something that is established was cast down as well.

Originally Posted By: Daniel 8:12
And an appointed time was given him to continue <08548> by reason of transgression, and he cast down the truth to the ground; and he practiced, and prospered.


It can be the place, foundation, or sanctuary casting truth to the ground and practicing and prospering. But the one that is to continue for the appointed time is also transgressing in that he is casting truth to the ground and practicing and prospering until he ceases to continue.

Originally Posted By: Daniel 8:13
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning he that continues <08548>, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? [note the amount of time given in response]: Unto two thousand <0505> and three <07969> hundred <03967> days <06153> <01242>]


The transgression of desolation is often thought of as the abomination that makes desolate or the abomination of desolation. It is a sin that results in the destruction of the sinner.

The number is given as 2300

...two thousand <0505> and three <07969> hundred <03967> days <06153> <01242>

Strong's does not list the <505> in the plural that the translators used to get 2000, he just lists his words in the singular form. That does not mean that there is anything wrong with the 2000, but it makes it easier to identify another Scripture that at first glance has a very similar number.

...the thousand <0505> three <07969> hundred <03967> and five <02568> and thirty <07970> days <03117>.

Knowing that the 2300-days were 2300-years that ended in 1843 and again in 1844 is helpful.

Originally Posted By: EGW
“the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them.” EW 74.1


Thus God ordained that the 2300-years ended in 1843 and that is Bible Truth.

Originally Posted By: EGW
“The prophetic periods reached to 1844 and that the same evidence which they had presented to show that the prophetic periods closed in 1843 proved that they would terminate in 1844.” EW 236.1


And BASED ON THE SAME EVIDENCE the 2300-years ended a second time in 1844. That is Bible Truth.

The Advent Pioneers linked the 1260-years of papal rule from 538-1798 to the 2300-year prophecy; and the 1290-years as 508-1798; and the 1335-years from 508-1843. Thus the 1260, 1290, & 1335 link to the 2300-year prophecy.

That established link between the 2300 and 1260 connects Daniel 8:11-12 to the papacy or popes that were to continue. That is made more evident when Daniel and Revelation explain themselves.

Originally Posted By: Revelation 13 5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


In Daniel 8:11-12, the daily continues during the 2300-years and it links to the papacy that continues 1260-years, which is specifically identified power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Originally Posted By: Daniel 11:31
And the power continuing to pollute the sanctuary of strength shall be taken away: the one that continued; after the abomination that maketh desolate is uttered.


After President Bush II uttered that Islam is good 9/20/02, [the abomination that makes desolate by giving hope that there is salvation apart from Christ as our savior and accepting Him fully (the oblation- applying the sacrifice) was set up] then Pope John-Paul II (the pope that received the deadly wound that was healed and lived 42-months after 9/11/01) died.

Originally Posted By: Daniel 12:11
At the time that the one who continues shall be taken away, at the end of the 1290-days, the abomination that maketh desolate will have been set up.


The one who continues relates to the papacy, specifically Pope John-Paul II, He died 1290-days after 9.02/01. From a study of Daniel 9, he issued the endtime decree to rebuild Jerusalem, which was not about Jerusalem at all but its name sake: See Strong’s Jerusalem =" teaching of peace" His teaching of peace was issued 31 May 1998. And when the endtime rendition of Daniel 9 is understood, it counts down to the anointing of the Endtime Prince of the covenant, and that man was installed in office on the very day foretold in Daniel 9 and he failed 9/1/01. 1290-days after his failure, is 2 April 2005 the very day that Pope John-Paul II died.

And Protestant Prince of the Covenant confirmed the covenant with many for exactly one week (7-days) and in the midst of the week, he uttered that the beliefs of Muslims are good. They teach that there is salvation apart from Jesus (GW tore down the sacrifice as unnecessary) and the oblation is accepting the application of the sacrifice to the penitent sinner. With a teaching that promotes salvation without Jesus, there is no necessity to apply His blood to the sinner.

This is already more than most SDA’s can handle, but it is a beginning to understand the endtime prophecies.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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