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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Mountain Man] #135893
09/04/11 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: His Child
10) President Obama is a continuation of President Bush II

His Child, why wouldn't a new President in 2013 or 2017 simply be a continuation of President Bush? And so on in 2021, 2025, etc?


Before the fact, I thought Albert (6) Arnold (6) Gore Jr. (6) would be elected because I understood that in 2000 the next president would have to have the number 666.

George Bush was elected and I had to go back to the drawing board and study the prophecy to see if I was a little off course or way off course. As I studied, I learned that President George (6) Walker (6) Bush II (6) fulfilled the count because though he was not a JR., he was President Bush II.

Then I could not follow the prophecy from Bush II to Obama. Then Obama became President. It was back to the prophecy again.

In Daniel 7 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and 2 Romes (papal and pagan) fulfilled the 4 kingdom model.

Likewise in the 4-kings from the earth scenario: Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama. The 4 kings are 5 men as the 4 kingdoms had been 5 kingdoms (with the 5th being 2 that = 1).

As the Jews were allotted 490-years, the papacy was allotted 1260-years. And the time allotted to Protestantism ended when GW set up the abomination that makes desolate (9/20/01). So the message to come out of Babylon in Revelation 18 now applies to Apostate Protestantism.

With the 1260, 1290, & 1335-days now ended and 2300-days have come since then, I don't see any indication that the 4 President model is going to develop differently than the 4 kingdom model: 2 Romes and Bush II/Obama.

Furthermore the endtime application of Daniel 8 fits Obama.

As I read Revelation 13: The papal beast has 7 heads which are 7 popes (Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, & Benedict XVI) and 10-horns that I align with Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton. Then the American (beast from the earth) arises with two horns: Bush II & Obama.

History and prophecy are aligning to explain Daniel and Revelation. Unless something has been overlooked or is not in focus yet.

Since the earth-beast does not have a third horn, and the final fulfillment of the 1290 & 1335-days of Daniel 12 and Revelation 13 (pope John-Paul II was wounded and healed) have happened, is there any possibility of prolonging the sin problem to another President?

The 6000-years are about up. God knows when they will end and I suspect that it will be sooner than later.

Originally Posted By: EGW
Satan's work of ruin is forever ended. For six thousand years he has wrought his will, filling the earth with woe and causing grief throughout the universe. The whole creation has groaned and travailed together in pain. Now God's creatures are forever delivered from his presence and temptations. "The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they [the righteous] break forth into singing." Isaiah 14:7. And a shout of praise and triumph ascends from the whole loyal universe. "The voice of a great multitude," "as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings," is heard, saying: "Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6. {GC 673.2}


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Mountain Man] #135894
09/04/11 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
His Child, how many people agree with your interpretation of prophecy? Are you the only one? I understand numbers doesn't matter, but it seems unlikely the final warning message will be rejected by all save you and a small handful.


Imagine a church that has 20 million members, but Revelation gives the number 144,000. And the Spirit of prophecy says "not 1 in 100" are keeping the commandment to love their neighbor as themselves. So is it possible that God won't be able to get 144K from the church and will have to make up the balance from the world?

How many people agreed with Noah when he went into the ark?

Originally Posted By: EGW
The Bible declares that in the last days men will be absorbed in worldly pursuits, in pleasure and money-getting. They will be blind to eternal realities. Christ says, "As the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matthew 24:37-39. {COL 228.1}


So as the 2300-days have ended people are eating and drinking and there is a Hurricane bringing a flood to LA. We will have to see how that develops.

Better to study to show yourself approved of God and be in that number than to try to explain away the sure word of God as it is fulfilling around you.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Mountain Man] #135896
09/04/11 02:08 AM
09/04/11 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
His Child, what is the significance of the 2300 day prophecy and 3 Sept 2011?


I suspect that the 2300-days actually end tomorrow since 17 May 2005 ended the 1335-days, the next day 18 May 2005 would begin the count of the 2300-days.

Did you see this map? View 2 is even more concerning.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-louisiana-storm-google-map,0,7714143.htmlstory


http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&ie=UTF8&vpsrc=0&msid=203577346167583507267.0004abfcba5243aed5d73&ll=24.846565,-72.949219&spn=27.69843,55.371094&z=4&source=embed

Around 9/11/11 they will be be giving the east coast a double whammy or be joining forces as Hurricane Katia vacuums up the moisture from Lee and packs a punch.

Judgments of God in rapid succession? Prophecy fulfilled? On the tenth anniversary of 9/11/01.

Brings to mind a text

Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135898
09/04/11 04:49 AM
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The reason we are discouraged from this type of prophetic interpretation is because it raises excitement then drops a person cold as yet another and then another and then another prediction fails. It destroys people's regard for prophecy.

The four beasts of Daniel 7 depict the world empires --
Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, followed by a divided Europe (ten horns) and the papacy.

I really don't think Obama is the last president of the endtime.
Yes, he is advancing the agenda, but the endtime president will be a RELIGIOUS Christian president.
Someone like Rick Perry

Remember -- the endtime crises is over worship. Worship laws will be enforced that are after the commandments of men,
NOT after the commandments of God.

Yes, time is running out.
No, we are not to set dates, nor reapply the long time lines of prophecy.

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #135903
09/04/11 12:48 PM
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The signs of the times give unquestionable markers of unsustainability.

Violent storms & natural disasters are now commonplace. The Japan nuclear plant is poisoning the planet. THe financial turmoil along with conglomeration of world governments. Growing disparity between very rich and very poor. Imminent bankruptcy of the world's wealthiest nation while millions there are unemployed, yet it continues to wage war relentlessly. Selfishness and dishonesty, fornication and adultery are considered the norm. The people are generally self-destructive, yet don't see it.

The many crises which Satan has cultivated will demand a solution which he is preparing to implement.

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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: gordonb1] #135905
09/04/11 02:04 PM
09/04/11 02:04 PM
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Yes, time is running out.
I won't be surprised at all if Rick Perry gets in, he seems to be groomed to carry out the last day description of the endtimes.

BUT
No, we are not to set dates, nor reapply the long time lines of prophecy.
Henry (His Child) has set dates before that have failed.

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #135906
09/04/11 02:11 PM
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The governor, Rick Perry, is certainly hitting the headlines, says an August 2011 report, "Last weekend, the man known as "Ricky Perry" as a boy in provincial America led a 30,000-strong prayer rally in which he painted a picture of a broken America in desperate need of healing"

Check out this link
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Check out this link

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #135910
09/04/11 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: His Child
. . . I had to go back to the drawing board and study the prophecy to see if I was a little off course or way off course.

It was back to the prophecy again.

History and prophecy are aligning to explain Daniel and Revelation. Unless something has been overlooked or is not in focus yet.

Better to study to show yourself approved of God and be in that number than to try to explain away the sure word of God as it is fulfilling around you.

You are very good at recalculating prophecy to accommodate changes. You sound absolutely certain you are right this time, you even lament the fact so few people are willing to agree with your current revision of prophecy, but it is very likely things will not unfold according to your view, and then what? - you will probably discover a mistake, find a rational reason for it, and then present yet another revision with the same fervor as before. Do you see the dilemma?

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Mountain Man] #135911
09/04/11 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: His Child
I suspect that the 2300-days actually end tomorrow . . .

What do you think will happen today according to the prophecy?

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135912
09/04/11 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
His Child, how many people agree with your interpretation of prophecy? Are you the only one? I understand numbers doesn't matter, but it seems unlikely the final warning message will be rejected by all save you and a small handful.


Imagine a church that has 20 million members, but Revelation gives the number 144,000. And the Spirit of prophecy says "not 1 in 100" are keeping the commandment to love their neighbor as themselves. So is it possible that God won't be able to get 144K from the church and will have to make up the balance from the world?

How many people agreed with Noah when he went into the ark?

Originally Posted By: EGW
The Bible declares that in the last days men will be absorbed in worldly pursuits, in pleasure and money-getting. They will be blind to eternal realities. Christ says, "As the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matthew 24:37-39. {COL 228.1}


So as the 2300-days have ended people are eating and drinking and there is a Hurricane bringing a flood to LA. We will have to see how that develops.

Better to study to show yourself approved of God and be in that number than to try to explain away the sure word of God as it is fulfilling around you.

You didn't answer my question - How many people agree with your current revision of prophecy?

Does the following passage describe your movement?

Quote:
The great work of the gospel is not to close with less manifestation of the power of God than marked its opening. The prophecies which were fulfilled in the outpouring of the former rain at the opening of the gospel, are again to be fulfilled in the latter rain at its close. . . . {FLB 332.5}

Servants of God, with their faces lighted up and shining with holy consecration, will hasten from place to place to proclaim the message from heaven. By thousands of voices, all over the earth, the warning will be given. Miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and signs and wonders will follow the believers. Satan also works with lying wonders, even bringing down fire from heaven in the sight of men. Thus the inhabitants of the earth will be brought to take their stand. {FLB 332.6}

The message will be carried not so much by argument as by the deep conviction of the Spirit of God. . . . The rays of light penetrate everywhere, the truth is seen in its clearness, and the honest children of God sever the bands which have held them. {FLB 332.7}

God has a work for His people to do for the world, and if they will work in harmony with one another and with heaven, He will demonstrate His power in their behalf as He did for His first disciples on the day of Pentecost. {FLB 332.8}


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