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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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I think nowadays it would not be possible for a prominent Adventist author to teach this and still retain his functions. True, Ellen White & James White would be disfellowshipped. Gordon, are you saying that James and Ellen White believed that Jesus was created an angel a very long time ago, and was later promoted into the Godhead?
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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Not at all Arnold.
But my opinion matters little. Read her published works to know what she believed.
Try the first pages of:
* 1 Spiritual Gifts (1858)
* 1 Spirit of Prophecy (1870)
* Patriarchs & Prophets(1890)
* Story of Redemption ( a compilation)
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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Rosangela said that a prominent Adventist author could not promote such a teaching and retain his position. Your comment implied that you believe EGW would be disfellowshipped because she such things.
We can certainly talk more about exactly how Jesus came into existence. However, my primary goal for the thread was to find out who teaches that Jesus was created an angel, then promoted into the Godhead.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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Rosangela said that a prominent Adventist author could not promote such a teaching and retain his position. Your comment implied that you believe EGW would be disfellowshipped because she such things.
We can certainly talk more about exactly how Jesus came into existence. However, my primary goal for the thread was to find out who teaches that Jesus was created an angel, then promoted into the Godhead. This is an interesting discussion. Arnold, I think Gordon is in line with the discussion as you said in the opening the following : I recently heard that a prominent Adventist author teaches the idea that the Father created Jesus a long time ago, then promoted Him into the Godhead. Furthermore, Lucifer became jealous because he wanted to be promoted as well. There's no mention of Jesus created as an Angel. Maybe you intended to mean this but it was not stated correctly in your introduction.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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There's no mention of Jesus created as an Angel. Maybe you intended to mean this but it was not stated correctly in your introduction. But if Jesus had been created, the best thing He could be would be an angel (promoted into the Godhead).
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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There's no mention of Jesus created as an Angel. Maybe you intended to mean this but it was not stated correctly in your introduction. But if Jesus had been created, the best thing He could be would be an angel (promoted into the Godhead). No, that's not the only option. Jesus could of been a begotten son of G-d endowed with divinity as His Father.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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These are two different views which use two different words - "created" is different from "begotten."
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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There's no mention of Jesus created as an Angel. Maybe you intended to mean this but it was not stated correctly in your introduction. But if Jesus had been created, the best thing He could be would be an angel (promoted into the Godhead). No, that's not the only option. Jesus could of been a begotten son of G-d endowed with divinity as His Father. Sorry, Elle: that's not an option, since only the Word of God could be begotten of God as his Son "in the days of eternity". Btw, such a belief in God's only begotten Son is hardly unique to Adventists, using trinitarian labels or not.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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Rosangela said that a prominent Adventist author could not promote such a teaching and retain his position. Your comment implied that you believe EGW would be disfellowshipped because she such things.
We can certainly talk more about exactly how Jesus came into existence. However, my primary goal for the thread was to find out who teaches that Jesus was created an angel, then promoted into the Godhead. We are warned not to speculate on "exactly how Jesus came into existence", remember, besides that it is written that God has a begotten Son, divine as he is (Jn 1:1). Sister White backs that up, completely. It's not worth finding whoever believes what he whom you wish to find believes, other than to help clear up his confusion. 
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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Rosangela said that a prominent Adventist author could not promote such a teaching and retain his position. Your comment implied that you believe EGW would be disfellowshipped because she such things. Hi Arnold - A careful reading of EGW will show that she teaches the Bible truth on this point: That God brought forth His Only Begotten Son in the days of eternity. (See Proverbs 8:22-30 & Micah 5:2 as quoted in Patriarchs & Prophets 36) And it's very clear that Christ was God's Son before creation & before Satan's fall - unless one ignores Ellen White's description of this period as found in her books listed above. Christ was not 'play-acting' the Son role. (Why do so many theologians offer drama in place of gospel truth?) This of course would make a mockery of the plan of redemption - the Incarnation, the Sacrifice, the crucifixion, the resurrection, the atonement & mediation as High Priest at the right hand of God. And we'd have to throw out John 3:16. And the epistles of John. But yes, Ellen White's teaching on this point would collide with the "co-equal, co-eternal" of the 28 creed. And so the Church (through George Knight in Ministry magazine) declared that "Most of the founders of Seventh=day Adventism would not be able to join the church today..." as "...most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the Trinity..." We can certainly talk more about exactly how Jesus came into existence. However, my primary goal for the thread was to find out who teaches that Jesus was created an angel, then promoted into the Godhead. Sorry Arnold, can't help here. There are many voices & doctrines.
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