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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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I agree with you, except here. But yes, Ellen White's teaching on this point would collide with the "co-equal, co-eternal" of the 28 creed. What Ellen White didn't teach is "co-existent". She did teach co-eternal and co-equal.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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These are two different views which use two different words - "created" is different from "begotten." Yes Rosangela, an important distinction. Christ was begotten. Then God created all things through Christ. "..God, who created all things by Jesus Christ." Ephesians 3:9. __________________
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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I agree with you, except here. But yes, Ellen White's teaching on this point would collide with the "co-equal, co-eternal" of the 28 creed. What Ellen White didn't teach is "co-existent". She did teach co-eternal and co-equal. Hi Colin, is 'co-existent' in the 28 FB? ________________________
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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"Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore. The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by Him as His right. He was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent.
But He humbled Himself, and took mortality upon Him. As a member of the human family, He was mortal; but as a God, He was the fountain of life to the world.{FLB 46}
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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"From all eternity Christ was united with the Father, and when He took upon Himself human nature, He was still one with God. 1SM 229
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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I recently heard that a prominent Adventist author teaches the idea that the Father created Jesus a long time ago, then promoted Him into the Godhead. Furthermore, Lucifer became jealous because he wanted to be promoted as well. There's no mention of Jesus created as an Angel. Maybe you intended to mean this but it was not stated correctly in your introduction. I guess I didn't mention the angel part. In any case, the important aspect to me is that Jesus was a creature at some point, then was later made divine. I want to know where this is coming from so I can investigate further.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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It's not worth finding whoever believes what he whom you wish to find believes, other than to help clear up his confusion.  Actually, the confusion still exists in my Earliteens class. One of the teachers brought it up during a discussion on the Fundamental Belief regarding Jesus. She said Jesus was first created an angel, then was later promoted into the Godhead. Some of my more astute students immediately challenged her to prove it from the Bible. She could not give the verses, but she said she'll find the book where she got it from. I talked to her after the class to make sure she just did not misunderstand or maybe she misspoke. She believes it. But she forgot the book and author where she got it from, though she is adamant that this teaching was supported by many Bible verses. She narrowed it down to Gulley, Paulien, or Goldstein, though I would be very surprised if it was really one of those. It has been several weeks now, and she still can't find the book. So I've resorted to enlisting some outside help in locating this teaching. So far, nobody can tell me where it's coming from.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father.{FLB 46} "From eternity, a distinct person." I don't know how that can fit into any theory that there was a time that Jesus did not exist, or only existed as part of the Father.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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Yes, Christ existed from eternity. That is when He was brought forth.
His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting5769 (margin ~ the days of eternity)" Micah 5:2.
"I was set up from everlasting5769 Proverbs 8:23.
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Re: The Father created Jesus, then later promoted Him to divinity?
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So Ellen White is correct when she uses these same Bible passages to establish the foundation for her work in Patriarchs & Prophets p. 36.
Jones & Waggoner taught the same thing.
These were the three people to bring the message of Christ's righteousness to the Church in 1888.
("Angels stood by their side", etc.)
But they were ridiculed, and Christ was rejected.
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