GREEN COCHOA said, "On other planets, God has beings that love and serve Him. It is my understanding that they do not have the ability to procreate which God has given humans. Therefore, it would be my belief that the law prohibiting adultery would have only become known in our world, after our creation."

Then you quoted Ellen White referring to the creation of earth as writing, "Then marriage and the Sabbath had their origin, twin institutions for the glory of God in the benefit of humanity. ..." {AH 340.4}

So logically, your conclusion makes sense. We know Jesus stated the angels do not marry nor are they given in marriage according to Matt 22:30 and Mark 12:25 and that such no longer will apply to resurrected humans according to these same verses.

You have also couched your statement that other worlds (not angels) also do not procreate with the caution that this is your own unsupported understanding. Procreation may have been unique to this planet, but apparently this will not be the case in the future; at least not perhaps until the New Earth, which will be restored to the state of Eden renewed (AH 539.1) and in which “Then they that have kept God’s commandments shall breathe in immortal vigor beneath the tree of life; and through unending ages the inhabitants of sinless worlds shall behold, in that garden of delight, a sample of the perfect work of God’s creation, untouched by the curse of sin—a sample of what the whole earth would have become, had man but fulfilled the Creator’s glorious plan” PP 62.3.

While this does not specifically state the restoration of procreation, it could be implied by a return to the original plan. What are your thoughts on that?

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PETER L you cited Deut 7:7-9; Isa 42:1-5, 8; 49:6-7; Eph 5:25-33; and Rom 5:8 but did not link these to a question or set of questions to which they were designed to respond. I do not see their connection to the topic at hand. Could you please elaborate?

Did the Sabbath also exist on other inhabited unfallen worlds before it was instituted on an inhabited and once unfallen Earth?

My thoughts are that the "original plan" referred to comprises a plan which excludes sin. A perfect world again.

I do not believe everything will be "original." For that to be the case, the wings we acquired would then be removed. A second transformation would have to take place to give us back our genders.

What if there were more women in heaven than men--or vice versa? Who gets to stay single for eternity, in contradiction to Isaiah 35? Or else, who gets to be a polygamist? Or, worse yet, who became trans-gendered?

No. There is one basic reason there will no longer be marriage in heaven, and procreation is it. God cannot risk again having free-moral agents who are newly created and who never experienced sin. All of the universe today has experienced sin and its woeful effects. All of the watching universe, and every saint who is saved will be amply inoculated against sin. None of us would even think of returning to this vomit. But a new baby, born in a perfect world and given the freedom of choice, not having been thus inoculated, would represent an opportunity for sin to happen again. Without experimenting with it firsthand, there would be no way for such a one to understand. Explanations, you may recall, did not bring Lucifer back from the brink.

Besides, the Bible is quite clear on the matter, and Mrs. White emphasizes this in saying:


We should count it a privilege to have been the one and only planet in which free moral agents were ever gifted with the ability to procreate. It won't happen again.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Not if Ellen White is to be believed.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I agree that there won't be births in the New Earth as a result of new marriages, but what do you say about women who will be saved and died pregnant? And what about the many babies that will be saved? Won't they know about redemption through explanations?

How did you come to this conclusion? The human race would procreate until the planet was filled with inhabitants, then procreation would cease. Why couldn't the same have happened in other planets?

There will be small children in Heaven. But not the New Earth. In Heaven, we will be going over the books of record, witnessing the entire history of earth, learning why certain friends, relatives, or loved ones are not there, and...there will be tears. The children will grow up in an environment in which everyone is talking about the history of sin on our planet. They will be well exposed to what sin is--and consequently, inoculated against it just as the adults are.

But, after the fires of hell have cleansed this earth at the end of the millennium, God will wipe away all tears. We will never again dwell on the painful experiences of sin. There will be no more opportunity to inoculate new free moral agents against sin.

And, of course, by this time, the small children have grown up. We have been as angels already in Heaven. There are no wee ones entering the New Earth.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Start a new thread.

All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two: love God, love man. (Matthew 22:37-40) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14, James 2:8)

The law's requirements are pretty simple: love. If we are always loving, then we will fulfill the law.

But we are also told that God is love. (1 John 4:8) Note that it doesn't say that God "commits" love, or God "fulfills" love. God is not merely loving; God "is" love. God is the very definition of love.

Then He gave us a law that simply answers the question, "What would Jesus do?" The 10C is a sinner-centric explanation of what God is like, and what His children are like.


The principles of the law have existed as long as God existed. However, their application differs in each situation. The law as given at Sinai was designed for fallen man. Unfallen beings still abide by the same principles, but the application may be different.

Angels do not have spouses as we have them, but it is possible that they have relations that require a similar form of faithfulness to each other.

Getting back to the Sabbath, it is reasonable to believe that all creatures need periodic rest and a time set aside for worship.

We were just studying this....

Isaiah 65
New Heavens and a New Earth
17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
23 They will not labor in vain,
nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the LORD,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the LORD.