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Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #139942
02/20/12 03:25 PM
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I too am looking forward, with baited breath even, to meet the Father, but we do that at our resurrection because Jesus is the exact person of the Father in human form. He is the vale, that we may see the glory.

In the sanctuary when the Shekinah glory was there, the six inch thick woven vale was just thick enough to filter the light to a visible level so the image of God could be detected through it.

Jesus is THAT vale.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Astronomy question [Re: Tom] #139949
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Originally Posted By: Tom
T:I don't think it accounts for stars dying for two reasons. One is that mankind only sinned a few thousand years ago, and the star's death is tied to man's sin (being in this universe). It takes a long, long time for a star to die, and a long time for use to see that it's happened. So how, under this scenario, are we seeing evidence for the death of stars?

k:This would relate to the age being misinterpreted. If you have parallel universes, and one sinned, then disaster happened throughout its whole universe, one could imagine an explosion causing the expansion of the universe (faster than light), therefore the light which looks really old, has also been moving away from us faster than it can get here. And stars dying only started when the universe system sinned.

T: I'm not following this. First of all, how can something be moving faster than the speed of light? That would imply imaginary mass and time moving backwards, according to relativity. Secondly, how does it explain that we are seeing evidence of the death of a star in only thousands of years vs. the millions of years it should be?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster_than_the_speed_of_light and more than I can comprehend

Universal expansion

The expansion of the universe causes distant galaxies to recede from us faster than the speed of light, if comoving distance and cosmological time are used to calculate the speeds of these galaxies. However, in general relativity, velocity is a local notion, so velocity calculated using comoving coordinates does not have any simple relation to velocity calculated locally[17] (see comoving distance for a discussion of different notions of 'velocity' in cosmology). Rules that apply to relative velocities in special relativity, such as the rule that relative velocities cannot increase past the speed of light, do not apply to relative velocities in comoving coordinates, which are often described in terms of the "expansion of space" between galaxies. This expansion rate is thought to have been at its peak during the inflationary epoch thought to have occurred in a tiny fraction of the second after the Big Bang (models suggest the period would have been from around 10−36 seconds after the Big Bang to around 10−33 seconds), when the universe may have rapidly expanded by a factor of around 1020 to 1030.[18]

And then there's neutrinos but there may be a question if the same principle would apply to whole galaxies. If the galaxies did expand faster than the speed of light and faster than billions of years, then say the "big bang" occurred only thousand of years ago after sin. Stars started "dying" immediately and reached the earth and it only appears to us that they have been traveling a long time.

But, I'm probably doing a poor job of supporting something I don't believe. I tend more to believe that stars dying isn't sin. What and why, I don't know. When it's said there are other "worlds" out there, it implies to me they are in our "reality", our universe, our time (whatever time means). Therefore, if sin was causing stars way far away to die, it could be a great hazard for the other worlds and taint them with sin. While it's true they are not unaffected by the great controversy, I would not expect them to experience the actual effects of sin such as a star dying nearby them.

Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #139950
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
That journey takes seven days, but does it HAVE to take seven days to get there? Maybe Jesus takes seven days to get there for a specific purpose.
Yes, that was what I was thinking.

Re: Astronomy question [Re: kland] #139958
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Your on the right path Kland. Excellent.


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Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #139961
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Since the fall we do not see space from the perspective of angels, who are in tune with God the fathers clock, His perspective.

We are separated in quarantine.

The theory of relativity proves that our being is inherently selfish even by the natural forces, since time is relative to our individual perspectives.

The damage of the first sin has spread through our universe like a cancer. What we see today is not what was seen at the beginning of our universe 6,000 years ago. The constellations have marched across the heavens like on a chess board.

The process of advancement is progressing today, why is the expansion of our Universe speeding up instead of slowing down? To what end will the universe be allowed to expand?

Soon the light will shine in the dark places and all that was dark will be light.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #140112
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If Moses spent 40 days and nights without eating or drinking where he received the Ten Commandments on Tablets of Stone, then I think we can easily go without eating or drinking on our way to Heaven, not to say that we will not be eating or drinking on our way there.

Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
P.S. mountain man, would we be fasting on the journey to heaven that takes seven days? I'm sure He would have some bag lunches for us on our way there, 'no time to stop grandpas waiting'.

I am leaning towards the thought that it takes seven days for our minds to wrap around the idea that we are really going to heaven with the King to see His Father's glory. Along the way there are things to understand for those who have not heard of the Sabbath, and things us Sabbath keepers need to know before we get there.

Again this is just my conclusion based off the evidence.


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Re: Astronomy question [Re: Daryl] #140113
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Luke 5:34 And Jesus said to them, “Can you make wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them?

When we are with Jesus after translation into our heavenly bodies there is no reason to fast any more. So why would He insist that we do?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #140123
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When Jesus was resurrected He even ate broiled fish that same day.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #140132
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder

Luke 5:34 And Jesus said to them, “Can you make wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them?

When we are with Jesus after translation into our heavenly bodies there is no reason to fast any more. So why would He insist that we do?

What if He didn't? Have you ever seen small children be asked by their parents to eat before they can go to the park with their friends? They'd rather just play!

I have a feeling the saints will all feel a bit like kids again--and rather focus their attentions on something other than their stomachs during such exciting adventures.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Astronomy question [Re: Green Cochoa] #140140
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Um, James and GC: Is there any reason to eat?

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