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Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: Elle] #144578
08/14/12 03:44 PM
08/14/12 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
I'm assuming that there's a part 2 coming as there's no connection with the Kabbalah in your first post.

This is an important history and I'm glad you brought it up.
I came across the other parts of these mystery religions/secret socities that grew from the Kabbalah, but I will post more on the connections.

Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: jamesonofthunder] #144579
08/14/12 03:48 PM
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"The mind of a man or woman does not come down in a moment from purity and holiness to depravity, corruption, and crime. It takes time to transform the human to the divine, or to degrade those formed in the image of God to the brutal or the satanic. By beholding we become changed. Though formed in the image of his Maker, man can so educate his mind that sin which he once loathed will become pleasant to him. As he ceases to watch and pray, he ceases to guard the citadel, the heart, and engages in sin and crime. The mind is debased, and it is impossible to elevate it from corruption while it is being educated to enslave the moral and intellectual powers and bring them in subjection to grosser passions. Constant war against the carnal mind must be maintained; and we must be aided by the refining influence of the grace of God, which will attract the mind upward and habituate it to meditate upon pure and holy things.12 {AH 330.2}

Why do men claiming the name of the Lord get excited in studying occultism? Is there nothing better to fill your minds with?
Sorry, but history with evils false worship and religion is part of the great Controversy and you will find it throughtout the SOP and the Holy Canon, should we take it out.

Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: APL] #144589
08/15/12 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
A recent very prominent Adventist Theologian was defrocked for sexual immorality. He wanted to be re-baptized. Yet it turned out his moral fall was not once, but a string of them, which no one knew about. He has an on-line "ministry". All the tell-tail signs of the occult are there on his website, the images and even the name. It is subtle. But if you know what you are looking for, it is as bright as day. I doubt you would see it. (inflammatory)

The occult is about sun worship, sex worship, the creature rather that the creator. Yet, it is occult, it can be very subtle. Matthew 24:24 KJV For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

You JT, accuse me for defending Rick H. I don't see Rick being steeped in the occult. He is becoming informed of how it has infiltrated ALL of society. He now more aware of the signs which are ALL around us.

A physician does not need to become infected with a venereal disease in order to be able to understand it and treat it, and to inform her patient of the perils of the activity he has engaged in. But I would suppose that you would want to remain ignorant.

You want a plain statement? Read them JT. They are sobering. Well, they should be...

"And the Saviour has plainly said, "With what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Who can stand before God and plead a faultless character, a blameless life? And how, then, dare any criticise and condemn their brethren? Those who themselves can hope for salvation only through the merits of Christ, who must seek forgiveness by virtue of his blood, are under the strongest obligation to exercise love, pity, and forgiveness toward their fellow-sinners. {RH, November 30, 1886 par. 13} "

How much harm has been done because men have lifted up themselves in condemning others, when before God they were guilty of far greater mistakes and sins. They say to their brethren, "Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye," when there is a beam in their own eye. {RH, August 20, 1895 par. 4}

When you see supposed defects in the brethren who are preaching the Word of God, you talk of their mistakes and seek to uproot the confidence that others have in them, simply because they do not meet your ideas; but are your ideas without a flaw? Are your ways perfect before God? Has He placed you on the judgment seat to discover defects in others, to denounce and condemn them? I tell you, He has not; it is a work you have taken upon yourself. In place of humbling your own heart before God, you have watched for something to accuse in your ministering brethren. Elder [E. P.] Daniels has helped you, and you have helped him in this work which is condemned of God, for it is most cruel work. {20MR 96.3}
To accuse others is to work in harmony with the great adversary of souls; to bring deception upon others. Satan is an accuser of the brethren, and all this accusation on your part will not make right one of your own errors, will not make less grievous one of your own wrongs. The spirit of criticism fastens you in the snare of Satan, for he desires you to think yourself better and wiser than your brethren. When you closely examine your own case, when you are sure that you are a doer of the words of Christ, that you are walking in His footsteps, you will not have time or desire to weaken your brethren. You will know how displeasing to God it is. {20MR 96.4}



Have we ever been introduced? Have I given you the impression that you may use my initials like the familiar spirit that motivates you? I am a brother unless you are not Christ's. Call me brother or don't even address me, do you think you can get that?

You stand guilty of everything you just accused me of in this one writing alone.

By the way, our Lord has blessed me with an IQ of 169 and He speaks to me through His Holy Spirit in dreams visions and impressions, and I think I CAN comprehend your innuendo and veiled insinuations.

If you think you can bring Satanic writings into the church without incurring the wrath of God; then do your best. Again, like I said before, with the God of heaven as my witness, He impressed me to address Brother Rick. So if you want to argue against a brother who was motivated to warn you, that's your prerogative.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: Rick H] #144590
08/15/12 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
"The mind of a man or woman does not come down in a moment from purity and holiness to depravity, corruption, and crime. It takes time to transform the human to the divine, or to degrade those formed in the image of God to the brutal or the satanic. By beholding we become changed. Though formed in the image of his Maker, man can so educate his mind that sin which he once loathed will become pleasant to him. As he ceases to watch and pray, he ceases to guard the citadel, the heart, and engages in sin and crime. The mind is debased, and it is impossible to elevate it from corruption while it is being educated to enslave the moral and intellectual powers and bring them in subjection to grosser passions. Constant war against the carnal mind must be maintained; and we must be aided by the refining influence of the grace of God, which will attract the mind upward and habituate it to meditate upon pure and holy things.12 {AH 330.2}

Why do men claiming the name of the Lord get excited in studying occultism? Is there nothing better to fill your minds with?
Sorry, but history with evils false worship and religion is part of the great Controversy and you will find it throughtout the SOP and the Holy Canon, should we take it out.


No Brother, that is not what was meant. God put that there to warn us not to go there. He did not say "go find out all you can about this garbage so you don't step in it".

Does God EVER ask us to go to the devil to find out about the devil? Did He want Adam to eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to avoid sinning? You have a skewed understanding and I am motivated to warn you. That's all.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: jamesonofthunder] #144602
08/16/12 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder


Have we ever been introduced? Have I given you the impression that you may use my initials like the familiar spirit that motivates you? I am a brother unless you are not Christ's. Call me brother or don't even address me, do you think you can get that?
JT - I call all my friends by their intials. It is a characteristic of me. I glad to meet you too!

Originally Posted By: jt
You stand guilty of everything you just accused me of in this one writing alone.
Yep. I at least admit it. How about you? Do you accept the Spirit of Prophesy on this point or not?

Originally Posted By: jt
By the way, our Lord has blessed me with an IQ of 169 and He speaks to me through His Holy Spirit in dreams visions and impressions, and I think I CAN comprehend your innuendo and veiled insinuations.
Is and IQ of 169 supposed to impress us, and bow down and worship you, and turn off our brains, and not think for ourselves? Many atheists and IQs that or much higher than yours. Should we turn our brains off and listen to their wisdom? God forbid. The devil has an IQ that is off the scale! Straight testimony from the Word: Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

Originally Posted By: jt
If you think you can bring Satanic writings into the church without incurring the wrath of God; then do your best. Again, like I said before, with the God of heaven as my witness, He impressed me to address Brother Rick. So if you want to argue against a brother who was motivated to warn you, that's your prerogative.
Am I your brother? Do you accept me as one? Do you accept me as brother even if I'm not Christ's?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: APL] #144603
08/16/12 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Is and IQ of 169 supposed to impress us, and bow down and worship you, and turn off our brains, and not think for ourselves?


You are just plain antagonizing now. I asked you not to use my Initials unless you call me brother first if you are in Christ, yet you refused so I guess you are not in Christ.

Do I ask anyone to worship me? I have pleaded with you to use common sense and NOT to turn off your brain, but somehow you seem to forget these points.

Quote:
By the way, our Lord has blessed me with an IQ of 169 and He speaks to me through His Holy Spirit in dreams visions and impressions, and I think I CAN comprehend your innuendo and veiled insinuations.

The above quote was in response to your saying I could not understand what you had to say earlier
Quote:
I doubt you would see it..
This is silly and I cannot believe these are the arguments that ensue from people inside God's church.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: jamesonofthunder] #144604
08/16/12 08:51 AM
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Quote:
Am I your brother? Do you accept me as one? Do you accept me as brother even if I'm not Christ's?


Should we call every man a brother? Paul did not call his slave Onesimus a brother until he was fully converted, look at Philemon 1

Phil 1:8 "Therefore, although in Christ I could be bold and order you to do what you ought to do, 9 yet I prefer to appeal to you on the basis of love. It is as none other than Paul—an old man and now also a prisoner of Christ Jesus— 10 that I appeal to you for my son Onesimus, who became my son while I was in chains. 11 Formerly he was useless to you, but now he has become useful both to you and to me.

12 I am sending him—who is my very heart—back to you. 13 I would have liked to keep him with me so that he could take your place in helping me while I am in chains for the gospel. 14 But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do would not seem forced but would be voluntary. 15 Perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have him back forever— 16 no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.

17 So if you consider me a partner, welcome him as you would welcome me. 18 If he has done you any wrong or owes you anything, charge it to me. 19 I, Paul, am writing this with my own hand. I will pay it back—not to mention that you owe me your very self. 20 I do wish, brother, that I may have some benefit from you in the Lord; refresh my heart in Christ. 21 Confident of your obedience, I write to you, knowing that you will do even more than I ask."

So are we supposed to call every man brother?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: jamesonofthunder] #144607
08/16/12 10:19 AM
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Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother...


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: jamesonofthunder] #144608
08/16/12 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
"The mind of a man or woman does not come down in a moment from purity and holiness to depravity, corruption, and crime. It takes time to transform the human to the divine, or to degrade those formed in the image of God to the brutal or the satanic. By beholding we become changed. Though formed in the image of his Maker, man can so educate his mind that sin which he once loathed will become pleasant to him. As he ceases to watch and pray, he ceases to guard the citadel, the heart, and engages in sin and crime. The mind is debased, and it is impossible to elevate it from corruption while it is being educated to enslave the moral and intellectual powers and bring them in subjection to grosser passions. Constant war against the carnal mind must be maintained; and we must be aided by the refining influence of the grace of God, which will attract the mind upward and habituate it to meditate upon pure and holy things.12 {AH 330.2}

Why do men claiming the name of the Lord get excited in studying occultism? Is there nothing better to fill your minds with?
Sorry, but history with evils false worship and religion is part of the great Controversy and you will find it throughtout the SOP and the Holy Canon, should we take it out.


No Brother, that is not what was meant. God put that there to warn us not to go there. He did not say "go find out all you can about this garbage so you don't step in it".

Does God EVER ask us to go to the devil to find out about the devil? Did He want Adam to eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to avoid sinning? You have a skewed understanding and I am motivated to warn you. That's all.
Well many Christians including some close to me, have fallen into it and dont even know it, so to open their eyes with its history so they see it is from evil is no sin.

Now if you go and let yourself be taken in or immerse yourself in it and allow it to take hold, then thats a different matter, you must learn to discern the difference, and act accordingly. Just because a Christin studies about the second death or the lake of fire doesnt mean they have fallen into its hold, and to be able to help another understand how they can keep from it through Christ and His Gift is how we must use it and be our purpose.

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Re: The Jewish Mysteries religion, the Kabbalah [Re: Rick H] #144609
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Originally Posted By: Rick H

Now if you go and let yourself be taken in or immerse yourself in it and allow it to take hold, then thats a different matter, you must learn to discern the difference, and act accordingly.


Originally Posted By: Rick H

I came across more...Kabbalism Albert Pike, 33-degree Freemason, informs us that Kabbalism is part of Masonic doctrine: The Holy Kabalah, or tradition of the children of Seth, was carried from Chaldea by Abraham, taught to the Egyptian priesthood by Joseph, recovered and purified by Moses, concealed under symbols in the Bible, revealed by the Saviour to Saint John, and contained, entire, under hieratic figures analogous to those of all antiquity, in the Apocalypse of that Apostle... Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you can see, to the Kabalah. In that ancient and little understood medley of absurdity and philosophy, the Initiate will find the source of many doctrines.xxxviii What, then, is Kabbalism? The Kabbalah is a collection of Jewish mystical teachings. Some of these doctrines are based on an esoteric interpretation of the OldTestament. Kabbalism is no longer solely Jewish, but is the basis for doctrine in many mystical Orders and New Age groups. Helena Blavatsky tells us that Kabbalism is Gnostic teaching: Once that the key to Genesis is in our hands, the scientific and symbolical Kabalah unveils the secret. The Great Serpent of the Garden of Eden and the "Lord God" are identical, and so are Jehovah and Cain ONE—that Cain who is referred to in theology as the "murderer" and the LIAR to God! Jehovah tempts the King of Israel to number the people, and Satan tempts him to do the same in another place. Jehovah turns into the Fiery Serpents to bite those he is displeased with; and Jehovah informs the Brazen Serpent that heals them. These short, and seemingly contradictory, statements in the Old Testament—contradictory because the two Powers are separated instead of being regarded as the two faces of one and the same thing—are the echoes, distorted out of recognition by exoterism and theology, of universal and philosophical dogmas in Nature (bold emphases added, capitalization in original).xxxix Mithraism Mithraism, an ancient Roman cult, may have been one of the first secret societies. Those in the cult worshiped the god Mithra in a secret temple called a mithraeum, and were initiated in the same way as modern secret society members: The structure of the cult was hierarchical. Members went through a series of seven grades, each of which had a special symbol and a tutelary planet. From lowest to highest these grades were Corax (raven, under Mercury), Nymphus (a made-up word meaning male bride, under Venus), Miles (the soldier, under Mars), Leo (the lion, under Jupiter), Perses (the Persian, under Luna, the moon), Heliodromus (the Sun's courier, under Sol, the sun), and finally Pater (father, under Saturn). Those who reached the highest grade, Pater, could become the head of a congregation.xl Mithraism was part of ancient Roman paganism, which has formed into modern Roman Catholic practice.

As for the clergy, they borrowed the title of "father" from priests of Mithra, in spite of Christ's formal prohibition: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven" (Matthew 23:9). Thus it is not astonishing that mitre, meaning a bishop's cap, calls Mithra to mind, and that the Pope's headdress tiara (a word of Persian origin) derives from frigium, referring to the Phrygian cap.xli Mithraism is still alive in another form today, as Masonic author A. T. C. Pierson admits: The Masonic legend stands by itself, unsupported by history or other than its own traditions; yet we readily recognize in Hiram Abiff [Christ-figure of Freemasonry] the Osiris of the Egyptians, the Mithras of the Persians...xlii i. Nesta Webster, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements (London: Boswell Publishing)


It seems to me you HAVE immersed yourself in it. By beholding we become changed. You are in a position of authority on this website and probably in your church. Would you do this in your congregation?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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