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Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: Daryl] #146428
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SOP told me also that wings will grow at our back gradually, so that we could fly like angels to explore the universe in lightning speed or much faster. Wow, that is interesting. I like to explore the universe.

Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: James Saptenno] #146429
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I love the sea and the beach, why Revelation told us there is no more sea? For what reason it will be erased from our New World?

Is it because the sea is a symbol of evil?

We can explore the depth of the ocean without even getting wet and can hold our breath in a e very long time in this perfect body. We will not afraid of getting drown and die, right?

Maybe there is another kind of sea in other planets in the universe where we can go?

I love fishes and there is always an aquarium in my home, a pity if the all gone.

Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: James Saptenno] #146430
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Prior to the Flood, it is my understanding there wasn't the oceans of water that presently exists.

It is my understanding that we will be moving back into that pre-Flood condition.


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Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: James Saptenno] #146455
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Originally Posted By: James Saptenno
And if sinning might happen in the new world, God will not be taken wrong or cruel or tyrant in abolishing sinners the instant they sinned, unlike when Lucifer sinned.
Sinning could very well happen again in the new world if people had the fear I had indicated. For the question of God's character would still be there.

But the idea that God will directly abolish sinners the instant they sin, if they did in the new world, contains the same concept.

Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: kland] #146456
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As far as your fascination with bodily functions go, were the exit points created after sin or before sin? If before, for what purpose?

When we eat a peach, and throw the seed on the ground, what will happen to the bits of peach still on the seed?

I had a professor speculate that perhaps the bacteria were created for the purpose of dissolving such material.



Regarding the seas, maybe you should look some more into it. Just because there are no more seas as we know them does not mean there is no more water and therefore no more fish.

Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: Daryl] #146467
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Originally Posted By: Daryl F
Prior to the Flood, it is my understanding there wasn't the oceans of water that presently exists.

It is my understanding that we will be moving back into that pre-Flood condition.


Back into the pre-Flood condition?Hmm... interesting

You mean the same condition after the 6 days of creation?

But if the heat of hell on earth evaporate all waters from the ocean, lakes, even the atmosphere, it is not a same condition with the days of creation (Genesis 1:2,9).

If there is sea, or lakes, should be a new creation at all.

Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: kland] #146468
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As far as your fascination with bodily functions go, were the exit points created after sin or before sin? If before, for what purpose?


I think, we are Adam descendants having the same body and function. According to me, the exits point will only functions once Adam sinned, same as death will only function once Adam sinned, if not, it will have no function. But nevertheless, it was created there. Maybe also because God knew what would happen to them.

Imagine if all the animals, birds flying around using their exit points to deliver the waste produced in their stomach, and with billions of people? Wow, it's really annoying, right?

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When we eat a peach, and throw the seed on the ground, what will happen to the bits of peach still on the seed?[/quote


Since the bible said we will plant, sow, reap and eat what the hand and land produce, then the seed will continue with it power to grow.

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Regarding the seas, maybe you should look some more into it. Just because there are no more seas as we know them does not mean there is no more water and therefore no more fish.


If the heat of hell evaporate all the waters on earth even the atmosphere, how would be there remaining seas and lakes? Unless God created it new, but the Revelation said, there is no more sea.

But in heaven we have this sea of glass like crystal (Rev. 4:6; 15:2), and this heaven will coming down to earth, it means we have a new kind of sea on earth, right? Who knows what is in it.

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Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: James Saptenno] #146476
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If the heat of hell evaporate all the waters on earth even the atmosphere, how would be there remaining seas and lakes?
You're going to have to explain what you mean by this. It makes no sense to me.

Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: kland] #146490
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If the heat of hell evaporate all the waters on earth even the atmosphere, how would be there remaining seas and lakes?
You're going to have to explain what you mean by this. It makes no sense to me.


I know that sinners would be die in hell, including Satan and his gang, and this hell happened on this earth. The fire is so fierce as it comes from God, and evaporates whatever on earth is, including water, seas, lakes, atmosphere, etc, to prepare it for a new world, a new atmosphere, a new sky.

Re: How to motivate me to choose life? [Re: James Saptenno] #146505
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I have ever heard or read also an interesting idea of the new world. That because there is no death, even the flowers you plucked, will remain fresh and will never be withered, which is an indication of death for this flower. Is it from the SOP?

But I think this is not in line with bible perspective, although it is really a very interesting and fascinating idea. Imagine if you plucked flowers and put it in a vase, for the days and months ahead, it still look fresh. Also there will be no piles of dried leaves and withered vines, like your fall season. The world will remain clean.

But the bible said, that even there is no death because of there is no sin, but the only immortal being is God himself, all other creatures depend to His power, like human, they must eat the fruit of life to sustain the continuation of their lives.

So, If Adam is said to dress and keep the garden Eden, what kind of work he will do? Cleaning debris from old withered leaves, flowers and vines? Possible.

Because these flowers, vines, leaves must stick to the tree, if cut off or plucked, they will get no nutrition, and surely died, same as the saved people, if they will not eat the fruit of life, they too will surely die.

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