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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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11/24/12 02:12 AM
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Good point. But the priest was to take care of the sacrifices, something that was done away with at the cross.
Whose teachings and sermons are mostly recorded in the Bible? What do the books of the prophets contain?
Some of them were priests, Ezek. 1:3, but we know them primarily as prophets and not as priests. They are also referred to in the New Testament as prophets, and I have never seen them mentioned as the books of the priests.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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Language is a strange phenomena, because many of them change continually. When I started in the ministry it was unthinkable to call an Adventist pastor a priest - or the same word that is used for the priests in the Old Testament. Today it has become common in several languages, however, I believe that term is never used for an Adventist pastor in English nor in German.
At least that is an indication we do not consider an Adventist pastor as a priest in the old sacrificial system nor in the Roman Catholic system.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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Please stick to the Bible for this thread. Oops, forgot about that rule.  Is there a verse that specifically says Samuel was a priest? There are verses that provide circumstantial evidence, but I'm looking for a diect statement.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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Good point, Johann. That's pretty clear regarding Jesus' lineage then. I had never connected those dots. Very interesting! Now I'm going to see in my Bible which of the genealogies is "wrong." UPDATE: I just checked, and it's not as simple as it had appeared. It's still a mystery which genealogy is for Mary and which is for Joseph. I think they both come from Judah.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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"Pastor" comes from the word for shpeherd. That's what a real pastor is. Preachers and evangelists are something else. We are wrong for amalgamating them into one role.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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According to the Bible (2 Chronicles 30:22, 2 Chronicles 35:3, Nehemiah 8:9), the Levites taught the people as well. Perhaps pastors, and all other Gospel workers today, are Levites. Which wouldn't be so strange since Jesus is our one and only High Priest.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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Good point, Johann. That's pretty clear regarding Jesus' lineage then. I had never connected those dots. Very interesting! Now I'm going to see in my Bible which of the genealogies is "wrong." UPDATE: I just checked, and it's not as simple as it had appeared. It's still a mystery which genealogy is for Mary and which is for Joseph. I think they both come from Judah. Thorough intermarriage between tribes Elizabeth and Mary could be relatives.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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Yes. They must be related through somebody's mother.
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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Today a person is a Jew, according to the laws of Israel, if his mother is a Jew. author Wednesday May 16, 2012 01:52author by Saed Bannoura - 1 of International Middle East Media Center Editorial Group Report post
In Haifa District Court on Tuesday the judge ruled that whether a person is an Israeli citizen is determined by whether that person is of Jewish descent, i.e. born to a Jewish mother following halachic law, and not by their place of birth or whether they are by religion Jewish or not. Is this Scriptural
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective
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11/28/12 02:39 AM
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If it is, I don't know how. AFAIK, the father determines lineage.
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