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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: dedication] #148596
01/01/13 08:28 AM
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I fully agree men should be responsible for their actions!
It's true that society too often casts stones at the woman while the man goes free when it comes to sexual sin.

But women also need to be responsible for their actions and influence.
A fact of life is that men are programed to respond to sight.

While I don't think government should get into dress policing, yet Christian women, if their aim is to help others find Christ and heaven, will not dress in clothes that are either skin tight or low cut or high hems lines etc. etc.

They will not dress in a way to tempt men to impure thoughts.

Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: dedication] #148598
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While I was working in Africa I heard and saw a tribe where some of the women used no clothes in the heat of day. I was told that when a male American tourist got too close to one of these women he had to flee to save his life. The moral standards in that tribe were not lower than elsewhere.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148599
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I am not saying this is an excuse for women to dress inappropriately elsewhere.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148602
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On Danish TV today on New Year's Day was seen a review of the life of the royal family during 2012. For a while we saw the dresses used, because they show a pattern forming the latest trend, not only in Denmark, but in many places in the world.

It was pointed out that neither the Queen nor the Crown Princess, who came originally from Tasmania, had ever been seen in a dress that did not cover the knees, and that this should be the standard.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148604
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Originally Posted By: dedication
But women also need to be responsible for their actions and influence.
A fact of life is that men are programed to respond to sight.
How are men "programmed"? I don't disagree with your comment, but how is it men are "programmed"?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: Johann] #148605
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Originally Posted By: Johann
On Danish TV today on New Year's Day was seen a review of the life of the royal family during 2012. For a while we saw the dresses used, because they show a pattern forming the latest trend, not only in Denmark, but in many places in the world.

It was pointed out that neither the Queen nor the Crown Princess, who came originally from Tasmania, had ever been seen in a dress that did not cover the knees, and that this should be the standard.


Why would one wish to follow the world's standards?

Does the Bible or the SOP seem inadequate or outdated?

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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: dedication] #148606
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Originally Posted By: dedication

A fact of life is that men are programed to respond to sight.


Ulrike, that's a broad statement without much focus.
Are women unaffected by what they see?
Or do women have their own particular weakness when it comes to morality or sin? (Covetousness? Born to shop?)

It might be more accurate to say all men are programmed to sin, unless reprogrammed through conversion.

But what of Christ? Was He programmed to respond to sight?

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Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: gordonb1] #148607
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Originally Posted By: Johann
On Danish TV today on New Year's Day was seen a review of the life of the royal family during 2012. For a while we saw the dresses used, because they show a pattern forming the latest trend, not only in Denmark, but in many places in the world.

It was pointed out that neither the Queen nor the Crown Princess, who came originally from Tasmania, had ever been seen in a dress that did not cover the knees, and that this should be the standard.


Why would one wish to follow the world's standards?

Does the Bible or the SOP seem inadequate or outdated?

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I do not recall the exact wording, but not long ago I read where Ellen G. White stated that our women should follow the worldly standard when it is practical and healthy. Was she wrong in giving us such advise?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: APL] #148608
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Men and women are created differently. Men are stimulated by sight. This is why Jesus told the men of His day, "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

Men are stimulated by sight. The average man is attracted to a woman physically, before he is connected to her emotionally.

Women, on the other hand, are stimulated by the interested look, the sweet words, the touch.
Pornography is sold mainly to men -- not exclusively of course, but it is men who are the driving consumers of all types of pornography.

So in scripture we find that God has given certain commands to women regarding their appearance, so they will not stimulate men.
1 Timothy 2:9, which states, "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly clothing; "

And God has given different commands to men, such as in First Corinthians 7:1, which says, "It is good for a man not to touch a woman."
So while a woman is commanded to dress a certain way so the man is not stimulated, the man is commanded to act a certain way, to behave a certain way, so the woman is not stimulated.

I have often wondered about the contradictions women are giving --
1. They rightly demand that they be regarded as intellegent people with character and talents etc -- NOT as sex objects.
2. But then they dress like sex objects seemingly getting their "self-worth" by how many men they can get to look at them.

1. They rightly demand that they not be exploited sexually.
2. But then young girls (and adult women)dress like prostitutes when they go out. These young girls who dress in such a provocative way are putting themselves in danger.
And when mothers dress their little girls to look like hockers one can't help but realize the morality of our society is hitting an all time low.

Girls and women may think that's the way to "get a man" but the probability is extremely high that they will get the wrong type of man.


Re: Should women be allowed to entice men in the workplace? [Re: dedication] #148611
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Originally Posted By: dedication
This is why Jesus told the men of His day, "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

True, the Ten Commandments were specifically addressed to men - in letter and spirit.
But they apply to women as well.
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