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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: Daryl]
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02/14/13 02:29 AM
02/14/13 02:29 AM
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ah the exogetical rant of an insane man may be seen as brilliant to those who are but blind in his presence. -Syntax and the study of words in any language including English is but a vain study of letters jumbled together to determine a set output for only a short time. In time each and every word will carry a new and sometimes surprising change. It is the statement of a human whom in Faith explores the Galaxy of divinity in a plea of hope and praise that will be th esound that may fall upon the creator and will be answered in His will, not in mine. -Some pray to Mary, some pray to Jesus, some pray to the Father, some may not even pray... the relity is that it is His will as to whom shall have eternal life... just saying ![smile smile](/forums/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) -as for the judgement about "Christian Rock" I ask you all is there such thing as "Christian Music"?
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: D R]
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02/14/13 04:08 AM
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Again I'll ask, did Jesus EVER ask us to pray to Him?
He came to us, then He sent His Holy Spirit to minister to us. He is in us if we are in Him, so why would we pray to him?
He told us to pray to the Father.
Those new so called hymns that we sing in church with the prerecorded music or bands in our churches now, these songs all fit the mark of celebration-ism, making people feel good about themselves instead of breaking their self willed spirit.
Over and over we are told to come to Jesus, this is so our prayers can be heard by the Father.
"Jesus receives and welcomes you as His own friend. He loves you; He has pledged Himself to open before you all the treasures of His grace for your appropriation. He says, “At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God” (John 16:26, 27). He virtually says, Make use of My name, and it will be your passport to the heart of My Father, and to all the riches of His grace." {HP 79.5}
So the point is, if you want powerful answer to prayers we come to the Father in the name of the Son and He answers our prayers.
JESUS NEVER SAID FOR US TO PRAY TO HIMSELF!!!!!!!
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: D R]
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02/14/13 04:28 AM
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"singing should not be allowed to divert the mind from the hours of devotion. If one must be neglected, let it be the singing." —The Review and Herald, July 24, 1883
In most churches the singing is a distraction, taking more time than the actual message.
It is appropriate that Jesus receive honor and praise, but Jesus did not leave the upper room singing praise to Himself. He is our example and He sang to the Father. He said "pray to the Father and He will hear you", He never said to pray to Him.
He sang of the virtue and glory of His Father who He came to this earth to guide our hearts to.
This is how to mention Jesus in psalm or Hymn. "Glory be to God the Father for sending His Son so our prayers can be heard". This pleases His Father.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: D R]
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02/14/13 05:54 AM
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God does not love us because he provided this great propitiation, but he so loved the world that he made the propitiation from the foundation of the world. He has made every provision whereby his grace and favor may come to man. But was the great sacrifice made in order that Adam’s sin might be perpetuated, and the flood-gates of woe be ever left open upon our world?—No, it was to bring us back to our loyalty to God, to keep his commandments and live, and his law as the apple of our eye. Christ says, “Ye are my friends if ye do whatsoever I command you.” Perfect obedience to the law of God is the test by which it is known that our love is perfect toward Christ. The Father reveals his love to Christ by receiving and welcoming the friends of Christ as his friends. The Father is fully satisfied with the atonement that Christ has made. He suffered the penalty of the law in order that man might have an opportunity to exercise repentance towards God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. In behalf of sinners Christ has borne hardships, insults, calumny, abuse, an misrepresentation. He was refused by those he came to save, rejected by his own nation. The Lord of glory was put to a most shameful death, and God himself was in Christ, suffering with his only-begotten Son, in order to reconcile the world unto himself. All this was done in order that fallen man might have another chance by which to redeem himself. Christ imputes his righteousness to the repentant, believing soul, and he who receives Christ becomes the friend of God. Humanity is glorified by the incarnation of Christ. Through the plan of salvation the divine government stands unimpeached, while salvation of penitent souls is secured. {ST June 18, 1896, par. 4} In his prayer for his disciples Christ said: “I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word.” In his prayer Christ includes all those who shall hear the words of life and salvation through the messengers whom he sends. We are to look with respect upon God’s workmen, remembering that they are laborers together with God. The people of God through their union with Christ become one with each other. This is the object of their sanctification, “that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” {ST June 18, 1896, par. 5} Can the human mind comprehend this statement? Can we by faith comprehend the fact that we are beloved by the Father even as the Son is beloved? Could we indeed lay hold of this and act up to it, we would indeed have the grace of Christ, the golden oil of heaven, poured into our poor, thirsty, parched souls. Our light would no longer be fitful and flickering, but would shine brightly amid the moral darkness that like a funeral pall is enveloping the world. We should by faith hear the prevailing intercession that Christ continually presents in our behalf, as he says: “Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me; for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee; but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it; that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” {ST June 18, 1896, par. 6} We have an advocate at the throne of God, which is encircled by the bow of promise, and we are invited to present our petitions in the name of Christ before the Father. Jesus says: Ask what ye will in my name, and it shall be done unto you. In presenting my name, you bear witness that you belong to me, that you are my sons and daughters, and the Father will treat you as his own, and love you as he loveth me. Your faith in me will lead you to exercise close, filial affection toward me and the Father. I am the golden chain by which your heart and soul are bound in love and obedience to my Father. Express to my Father the fact that my name is dear to you, that you respect and love me, and you may ask what you will. He will pardon your transgressions, and adopt you into his royal family,—make you a child of God, a joint heir with his only begotten Son. Through faith in my name he will impart to you the sanctification and holiness which will fit you for his work in a world of sin, and qualify you for an immortal inheritance in his kingdom. The Father has thrown open, not only all heaven, but all his heart, to those who manifest faith in the sacrifice of Christ, and who through faith in the love of God, return unto their loyalty. Those who believe in Christ as the sin-bearer, the propitiation for their sins, the intercessor in their behalf, may through the riches of the grace of God, lay claim to the treasures of heaven. He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Jesus says, “Ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.” {ST June 18, 1896, par. 7} The summing up of the benefit of prayer is that devotion that leads to faith in God’s promises. This faith is the key that opens the divine treasury, is the hand by which we appropriate to our use the richest gifts of God. The prayer of the contrite heart unlocks the treasure house of supplies, and lays hold of omnipotent power. This kind of prayer enables the suppliant to understand what it means to lay hold of the strength of God, and to make peace with him. This kind of prayer causes us to have an influence over those with whom we associate. The prayer of faith is not listless, dry, and uninteresting. It wells up from perfect trust and assurance, and by its fervor makes manifest to the world, to angels, and to men, that you do believe in God, and have made Christ your personal Saviour. The Lord Jehovah accepts the argument that is presented in the name of his Son, and places the resources of his merit at your command. It is our privilege and duty to bring the efficacy of the name of Christ into our petitions, and use the very arguments that Christ has used in our behalf. Our prayers will then be in complete harmony with the will of God. Then it is that Christ clothes the contrite suppliant with his own priestly vestments, and the human petitioner approaches the altar holding the holy censer, from which ascends the incense of the fragrance of the merit of Christ’s righteousness. {ST June 18, 1896, par. 8} Our Redeemer encourages us to present continual supplications. He makes to us most decided promises that we shall not plead in vain. He says: “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.” He then presents the picture of a child asking bread of its father, and shows how much more willing God is to grant our requests than a parent is to grant his child’s petition. He says: “If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children; how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” {ST June 18, 1896, par. 9} Our precious Saviour is ours today. In him our hopes of eternal life are centered. He is the One who presents our petitions to the Father, and communicates to us the blessing for which we asked. He is the medium of prayer through which man speaks to God, and the medium through which God imparts blessing to humanity. He is the Intercessor and the Bestower. Herein is the love of God made manifest, “not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.” God has given assurance upon assurance, heaped gift upon gift, multiplied grace upon grace, and imparted his divine treasures to humanity, in order that we may believe the love that God hath for us. Beholding this love, John exclaims, “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” {ST June 18, 1896, par. 10}
So where in our faith does God say to pray to Jesus?
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: jamesonofthunder]
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02/15/13 06:00 PM
02/15/13 06:00 PM
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ADMIN HAT ON!!!
The last few posts here have been removed from this thread as being inappropriate in that it negatively focused on each other as users rather than on the thread topic.
You both know who you are, therefore, please refrain from doing it again anywhere at Maritime.
ADMIN HAT OFF!!!
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: Daryl]
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02/15/13 06:35 PM
02/15/13 06:35 PM
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"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: jamesonofthunder]
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02/15/13 06:53 PM
02/15/13 06:53 PM
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Again I'll ask, did Jesus EVER ask us to pray to Him?...
JESUS NEVER SAID FOR US TO PRAY TO HIMSELF!!!!!!! John 14:14 "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." Although the KJV does not render it as such, "...textual evidence may be cited...for the insertion of the pronoun "me" after the verb "ask." (SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5 p. 1036) 1. This indicates that praying to Jesus is acceptable. 2. If we cannot pray to Jesus, why not? Is he not also God?
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: JAK]
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02/15/13 10:50 PM
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Wow, you sure know how to stretch things to fit your understanding.
May I ask you something? Is Jesus our example or not? When He prayed, did He pray to Himself?
"In Christ’s name our petitions ascend to the Father. He (Jesus) intercedes in our behalf, and the Father lays open all the treasures of His grace for our appropriation, for us to enjoy and impart to others. “Ask in My name,” Christ says. “I do not say that I will pray the Father for you; for the Father Himself loveth you. Make use of My name. This will give your prayers efficiency, and the Father will give you the riches of His grace. Wherefore ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.” {Pr 217.1}
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: jamesonofthunder]
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02/15/13 11:31 PM
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"Ever since Adam’s sin, the human race had been cut off from direct communion with God; the intercourse between heaven and earth had been through Christ; but now that Jesus had come “in the likeness of sinful flesh” (Romans 8:3), the Father Himself spoke. He had before communicated with humanity through Christ; now He communicated with humanity in Christ. Satan had hoped that God’s abhorrence of evil would bring an eternal separation between heaven and earth. But now it was manifest that the connection between God and man had been restored." {DA 116.2}
Please do not think that I boast, but this is next level Christianity.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christian Rock - Evil?
[Re: jamesonofthunder]
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02/16/13 12:08 AM
02/16/13 12:08 AM
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Since there is so much misunderstanding going on, I need to clarify.
Worthy is the lamb who was slain to receive Honor and glory forever. Amen.
But He has irreversibly associated Himself with us, as one of us forever. He subjected Himself to the laws we are righteously constrained to keep, to show us how, through Him. One of those principles in true religion is prayer. He prayed to the Father and told us to do so. He said pray this way, "Our Father who art in heaven..."
He was "cut off" for us. The greatest mystery is the fact that "Divinity did not die" when Jesus spiritually and physically died, which is intimately connected to how His body didn't decompose after death.
Since He had not sinned Himself, He could not have died, as proven at the beginning of His ministry in the 40 days of no water or food in the desert. Enough to kill a man many times over. But after receiving all of the sins of the Universe on His head He would be cut off, dying spiritually, then it would be possible to die physically on the cross; but even then God could not die. The divinity and humanity of Christ went through hell, suffering the wrath of the Father just as the wicked will suffer in the fires from God in the second death. The love associated with the Father allowing the depth of this sacrifice shows His love for us. This is the most powerful lesson we can teach to bring people to the love of Christ.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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