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Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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02/18/13 11:12 AM
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I finally understand the following verse but I want to have everyones input before I go over what I have found:
1 Peter 3:18-20 King James Version (KJV) 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Many churches and ministers teach that the 'spirits in prison' were those who disobeyed and died before Jesus came to earth, though they were dead their spirits went to a prison, unlike the spirits of the righteous which go up to heaven. They use this verse to say tha after Jesus was crucified, he preached to those who were dead, he preached to the 'spirits in prison'. So who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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When Jesus came into the Synagogue to proclaim "The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, Because He did anoint me; To proclaim good news to the poor, Sent me to heal the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives deliverance, And to blind receiving of sight, To send away the bruised with deliverance" Luke 4:18
This shows who the Captives are.
We are in quarantine, like prison, to keep evil from God's universe.
We were set free by Jesus from captivity to sin and eventually we will be set free from being held to earth. This universe, the universe for us, is a prison because of space and time which is very inhospitable to us physically.
This bit of Physics explains. Did you know that at the speed of light time stands still?
If we were ever to accomplish traveling that fast, which would take more energy than all of our solar system holds, it would not accomplish anything because of the prison we are in. The prison of our material universe cannot be escaped even to give us a pass to visit the next inhabitable rock.
We dwell in the prison, leading to execution, our second death. Jesus came to set us free from that condemnation.
The tower of Babel was an attempt at escaping this prison. The Space race is another tower of Babel. Attempting to get away from the wrath of God.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Peter 3:18-20 King James Version (KJV) 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
It doesn't say Christ went and preached to them while He was in the tomb. The preaching to these people was done while THEY were alive-- while the ark was being prepared. The Holy Spirit working with their minds (spirit often refers to the mind of people) urging them to accept God's offered plan of salvation. The "spirits in prison," literally, in "guaro", in the grave. Yet "dead in sin" is even more deadly than the death of "sleep" from which there is a resurrection. For indeed to be dead in sin is a prision from which there is no escape, outside of Christ. Christ preached by his Spirit through Noah to the antediluvians while they were yet alive, while they still had opportunity to repent. The preaching was done "when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah". At that time they were disobedient and now they are all in their graves. NOW in a prison without hope because they rejected the Spirit of Life when it was preached to them. This may also go into deeper spiritual application. The situation of the antediluvians while the Spirit through Noah was preaching to them was similar to that of those to whom Christ preached. They were in darkness and error and under the condemnation of death that would soon and suddenly come upon them. Their rejection of Christ would seal their prison forever. The same power that raised Christ from the dead, also raises people from spiritual death to spiritual life. Peter is pleading with his country men not be like the people prior to the flood --
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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02/19/13 10:38 AM
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When Jesus came into the Synagogue to proclaim "The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, Because He did anoint me; To proclaim good news to the poor, Sent me to heal the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives deliverance, And to blind receiving of sight, To send away the bruised with deliverance" Luke 4:18
This shows who the Captives are.
We are in quarantine, like prison, to keep evil from God's universe.
We were set free by Jesus from captivity to sin and eventually we will be set free from being held to earth. This universe, the universe for us, is a prison because of space and time which is very inhospitable to us physically.
This bit of Physics explains. Did you know that at the speed of light time stands still?
If we were ever to accomplish traveling that fast, which would take more energy than all of our solar system holds, it would not accomplish anything because of the prison we are in. The prison of our material universe cannot be escaped even to give us a pass to visit the next inhabitable rock.
We dwell in the prison, leading to execution, our second death. Jesus came to set us free from that condemnation.
The tower of Babel was an attempt at escaping this prison. The Space race is another tower of Babel. Attempting to get away from the wrath of God.
Are you saying these 'captives' are disembodied people held down under the ground?
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Peter 3:18-20 King James Version (KJV) 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
It doesn't say Christ went and preached to them while He was in the tomb. The preaching to these people was done while THEY were alive-- while the ark was being prepared. The Holy Spirit working with their minds (spirit often refers to the mind of people) urging them to accept God's offered plan of salvation. The "spirits in prison," literally, in "guaro", in the grave. Yet "dead in sin" is even more deadly than the death of "sleep" from which there is a resurrection. For indeed to be dead in sin is a prision from which there is no escape, outside of Christ. Christ preached by his Spirit through Noah to the antediluvians while they were yet alive, while they still had opportunity to repent. The preaching was done "when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah". At that time they were disobedient and now they are all in their graves. NOW in a prison without hope because they rejected the Spirit of Life when it was preached to them. This may also go into deeper spiritual application. The situation of the antediluvians while the Spirit through Noah was preaching to them was similar to that of those to whom Christ preached. They were in darkness and error and under the condemnation of death that would soon and suddenly come upon them. Their rejection of Christ would seal their prison forever. The same power that raised Christ from the dead, also raises people from spiritual death to spiritual life. Peter is pleading with his country men not be like the people prior to the flood -- This is a very difficult passage for Adventist and cant seem to get a grasp on its meaning or define who these spirits are and I came across some articles but very few written by Adventist on this, some with the point you make. Here are some in Adventist publications and posts... https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1988/April/christ-and-the-imprisoned-spirits https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1999/August/spirits-in-prison http://en.allexperts.com/q/Seventh-Day-Adventists-2318/2009/9/Preaching-dead.htm http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/T0KTTPI7TVTR7T6RD
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Are you saying these 'captives' are disembodied people held down under the ground? I'm sorry brother, but how did you get that out of this statement? Are you serious or are you messing with me? The prison is our planet earth. We are in prison until Jesus saves our souls so we can be brought back to connection with the Father and enter into His presence. How did you get disembodied spirits from what I wrote? The end time deception is disembodied spirits trying to deceive the world that the dead are alive in heaven and Satan comes as an angel of light. I have been saying this on this website for over a year. So why would I say here...? never mind.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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02/20/13 12:51 AM
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Are you saying these 'captives' are disembodied people held down under the ground? I'm sorry brother, but how did you get that out of this statement? Are you serious or are you messing with me? The prison is our planet earth. We are in prison until Jesus saves our souls so we can be brought back to connection with the Father and enter into His presence. How did you get disembodied spirits from what I wrote? The end time deception is disembodied spirits trying to deceive the world that the dead are alive in heaven and Satan comes as an angel of light. I have been saying this on this website for over a year. So why would I say here...? never mind. Maybe I misunderstood the, "are in quarantine, like prison, to keep evil from God's universe."..but if the people are dead and buried, what did you mean. They dont feel or know or have awareness so how could they be in a such a place and be preached to.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Peter 3:18-20 King James Version (KJV) 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
It doesn't say Christ went and preached to them while He was in the tomb. The preaching to these people was done while THEY were alive-- while the ark was being prepared. The Holy Spirit working with their minds (spirit often refers to the mind of people) urging them to accept God's offered plan of salvation. The "spirits in prison," literally, in "guaro", in the grave. Yet "dead in sin" is even more deadly than the death of "sleep" from which there is a resurrection. For indeed to be dead in sin is a prision from which there is no escape, outside of Christ. Christ preached by his Spirit through Noah to the antediluvians while they were yet alive, while they still had opportunity to repent. The preaching was done "when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah". At that time they were disobedient and now they are all in their graves. NOW in a prison without hope because they rejected the Spirit of Life when it was preached to them. This may also go into deeper spiritual application. The situation of the antediluvians while the Spirit through Noah was preaching to them was similar to that of those to whom Christ preached. They were in darkness and error and under the condemnation of death that would soon and suddenly come upon them. Their rejection of Christ would seal their prison forever. The same power that raised Christ from the dead, also raises people from spiritual death to spiritual life. Peter is pleading with his country men not be like the people prior to the flood -- Take a look, as Peter repeats the same motif later and we see who the 'spirits' are, its not people. 2 Peter 2 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; This passage cites examples to show that God can hold the wicked for punishment until the day of judgment: the evil angels who are evil spirits and then goes to Noah at the time of the Flood. It says the angels sinned against God, who is now holding them in restraint, in 'hell' (Tartarus), in a place of great darkness which for the evil spirits is a prison, until the day of judgment.
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Now curiously, I keep coming across in non Canon and other sources pointing to the 'Nephilim'. Can anyone give us a deeper explanation for a better understanding of who the 'Nephilim' are?
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Re: Who were the 'spirits in prison'?
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Probably better for a different thread, but the Nephilim were the children of the 'Son's of God', Seth's descendants who were worshipers of God, and the Daughters of men, the descendants of Cain.
Cain could take as many waves as he wanted. So could his sons. They very quickly over ran the population with God haters.
When Cains descendants learned to make themselves more attractive by the way they dressed and wore their hair and put on jewelry and makeup the sons of God began to lust after them and soon the distinction was blurred between righteousness and sin by intermarrying.
Satan took full advantage of this situation.
For some unknown reason the children that came from that intermarrying were giants, full of strength and intellect to destroy God's people. It has nothing to do with angels having sexual relations with women, in fact it's the other way around. The women were possessed of demons and they had sex with the Son's who worshiped God.
Since the beginning Satan has used un-sanctified women to bring the men of God down. Look what happened just before entering the promised land.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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