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Will Eve be in Heaven? #154413
07/24/13 08:17 AM
07/24/13 08:17 AM
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She was deceived into sin through her weakness toward flattery and her desire for a higher position than that which God had designed her to have. Her sin capitulated the entire planet into following her lead, beginning with Adam and continuing with her descendants.

There are but four named-references to "Eve" in the Bible (using KJV). Two of these are in the Old Testament, and two are in the New. None of them speaks to Eve's salvation specifically.

The term "Adam" at times encompasses Eve as well. At other times it refers specifically to the male half of "Adam." We are told that "Adam" will be in Heaven. But I have not found any mention of Eve being there.

This may be a speculative study, as the facts are few. But hopefully it is somewhat thought-provoking to consider the strong possibility of Eve's absence from Heaven--at least until I am shown otherwise from someone who has found such an answer.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154414
07/24/13 08:21 AM
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Here are the four named mentions of "Eve" in the Bible. There are peripheral mentions such as when she is called Adam's wife. But these also are few.

Originally Posted By: The Bible
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. (Genesis 3:20)

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. (Genesis 4:1)

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:3)

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Timothy 2:13-14)


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154415
07/24/13 08:32 AM
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Here is the passage which I read that caused me to wonder if Eve will be saved.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
As the ransomed ones are welcomed to the city of God, there rings out upon the air an exultant cry of adoration. The two Adams are about to meet. The Son of God is standing with outstretched arms to receive the father of our race,—the being whom he created, who sinned against his Maker, and for whose sin the marks of the crucifixion are borne upon the Saviour's form. As Adam discerns the prints of the cruel nails, he does not fall upon the bosom of his Lord, but in humiliation casts himself at his feet, crying, “Worthy, worthy is the Lamb that was slain!” Tenderly the Saviour lifts him up, and bids him look once more upon the Eden home from which he has so long been exiled. {GC88 647.2}

After his expulsion from Eden, Adam's life on earth was filled with sorrow. Every dying leaf, every victim of sacrifice, every blight upon the fair face of nature, every stain upon man's purity, was a fresh reminder of his sin. Terrible was the agony of remorse as he beheld iniquity abounding, and, in answer to his warnings, met the reproaches cast upon himself as the cause of sin. With patient humility he bore, for nearly a thousand years, the penalty of transgression. Faithfully did he repent of his sin, and trust in the merits of the promised Saviour, and he died in the hope of a resurrection. The Son of God redeemed man's failure and fall, and now, through the work of the atonement, Adam is re-instated in his first dominion. {GC88 647.3}

Transported with joy, he beholds the trees that were once his delight,—the very trees whose fruit he himself had gathered in the days of his innocence and joy. He sees the vines that his own hands have trained, the very flowers that he once loved to care for. His mind grasps the reality of the scene; he comprehends that this is indeed Eden restored, more lovely now than when he was banished from it. The Saviour leads him to the tree of life, and plucks the glorious fruit, and bids him eat. He looks about him, and beholds a multitude of his family redeemed, standing in the Paradise of God. Then he casts his glittering crown at the feet of Jesus, and, falling upon his breast, embraces the Redeemer. He touches the golden harp, and the vaults of Heaven echo the triumphant song, “Worthy, worthy, worthy is the Lamb that was slain, and lives again!” The family of Adam take up the strain, and cast their crowns at the Saviour's feet as they bow before him in adoration. {GC88 648.1}


It is noteworthy that, while giving such detail about this reunion in Heaven, Ellen White makes no mention of Eve. In fact, the usage of "Adam" appears to be in the singular form here, such as when he casts his "crown" at Jesus' feet. If Eve were with him, and included in the term "Adam," would there not be two crowns?

Food for thought.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154416
07/24/13 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: green
Her sin capitulated the entire planet into following her lead, beginning with Adam and continuing with her descendants.
Whose sin was worse? Eve's or Adam's? You say Eve's sin brought down the planet. Is not Adam more responsible? Eve was deceived. Adam was not. Adam is then ultimately responsible for taking down the human race. If Adam had not sinned, we would not have been in this mess. Yet Jesus would have died to save Eve. And is not Eve spoken about being saved? Yes!

1 Timothy 2:13-15 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154421
07/24/13 01:21 PM
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EGW was discussing the two Adams.

If EGW had been discussing Christ and Mary, she might have mentioned Adam and Eve.


smile


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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: Gregory] #154442
07/25/13 02:52 AM
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APL,

Eve is not unambiguously addressed in the Timothy passage. To the contrary, there is strong evidence that the antecedent of the pronoun "she" harks back to "woman" in verses 9-12. Having once mentioned "Eve," Paul speaks of "the woman being deceived." This helps us know that he is speaking in the context of women in general, and not Eve only.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154443
07/25/13 02:55 AM
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Gregory,

Why not two crowns? Why only one? Why is there never any place in Mrs. White's writings or the Bible that would indicate Eve's presence in Heaven?

The silence speaks volumes. Eve was the first human sinner. It would seem only natural for Mrs. White to have made at least one mention of her final state in Heaven if she were to be found there.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154445
07/25/13 03:20 AM
07/25/13 03:20 AM
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Who was the worst sinner - Eve? Or Adam???


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: APL] #154446
07/25/13 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: EGW
The gospel was first preached to Adam and Eve in Eden. They sincerely repented of their guilt, believed the promise of God, and were saved from utter ruin. {ST, April 22, 1886 par. 2}

Do you green read this to say Eve is lost, totally ruined? Why do you even ask the question of Eve's salvation? Me thinks there is an agenda here...


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Will Eve be in Heaven? [Re: APL] #154447
07/25/13 03:34 AM
07/25/13 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Who was the worst sinner - Eve? Or Adam???
APL,

This question is not on topic to this thread, it happens to be irrelevant to the thread, and I will not speculate as to its answer. There is no way of knowing this side of heaven.

Adam lived 930 years. We do not know how long Eve lived, only that it must have been less than 1000 years--for God had promised them they would die "the day" they ate of the fruit. We are told precious little about their sinful lives beyond the garden of Eden. We do not know whether Eve may have turned bitter toward God during the course of those years or not.

Eve may have put a lot of blame upon herself. She may have felt too unworthy of God's love or attention--as many people today are tempted to feel as well. We do not have any positive indication that she will be in Heaven that I have yet found.

This thread deals with this end result and not the beginning that you may be wishing to look at. If you like, start another thread on that.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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