Heaven is given, not based on the smallness of one's sin, but on the bigness of one's Savior. Even one infinitesimal sin is enough to bar one from heaven, so in this case, size does not matter.

The question to ask is not if Adam's sin was worse than Eve's, but if Eve's repentance was as deep as Adam's.

Thank you, Arnold, for putting this thread into its intended perspective.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Oh? So the issue is not whether or not one repented. It is whether we can measure the depth of one's repentance. If Eve did not repent as much as Adam repented, she will not find the salvation that was given to Adam?

Where in the Bible are we given a standard by which we can measure the depth of another's repentance?

Where in the Bible are we told that such is our task?

Where in the Bible are we told that salvation depends upon us reaching some pre-determined level of repentance?

How is that scale measured? Is it a scale from one to ten? Is it a scale from one to 1,000?

I will suggest that Biblically salvation depends more on what Christ did at Calvary than on what I do in repentance.

Yes, it is the work of Christ (the Holy Spirit) that produces repentance in me. So, if I do not reach that level of repentance, does that mean that Christ (the HS)is ineffective?

I'm sorry, but I think I inadvertently confused you there. I was contrastring the need for repentance over the need to measure the relative size of the sin of Adam and Eve. Read my sentence again and you'll see the A vs B structure. Let me rephrase it simpler: Don't focus on sin, but on repentance.

You must have missed the posts comparing the sins of Adam and Eve, and implying that their magnitudes were indicative of the certainty of salvation. Given the vehemence with which you tore into the idea of the depth of repentance, a concept frequently taught by the SOP BTW, I'm sure you would have demolished the idea that our salvation can be gauged by how bad our sins are, had you noticed.

Your gracious example of repentance is accepted and you are forgiven as the magnitude of your repentance meets the requirement.



NOTE: Please take this as my sometimes perverted sense of humor.

Good catch. However I thought he was suggesting that God did not forgive Eve. Or the level of forgiveness! How does one determine that?

I sense you are trying to lure off-topic.

What if someone kills someone for a 'good' reason?

You are as confused as Gregory was. Sorry about that.

The problem is the idea that since Adam will be in heaven, then it must mean that Eve will be in heaven because her sin was "less bad" than his. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the plan of salvation.

...and a fundamental misunderstanding of sin.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

True. While sins are not all of the same magnitude, all sin earns eternal death. The only escape is not in comparing our sins with another sinner's, but in comparing our righteousness to Christ's, leading to confession, repentance, and conversion.