Regarding the original post, I'm wondering why would anyone want to speculate on something as trivial to our own salvation as this. I hate to judge anyone's motives, but this behavior is a hallmark of the kind of pride that leads people to always be trying to find something strange and new in order to garner attention to themselves.

Your accusation is baseless. Perhaps you will be happy to know this so that your fears are alleviated.

I was intrigued by the Ellen White account that mentioned only Adam, and so I began to wonder about it. I am still wondering, as that statement provided by APL is not fully clear about the end result.

Are you not interested in this? If not, please feel under no obligation to participate in this topic.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The gospel was first preached to Adam and Eve in Eden. They sincerely repented of their guilt, believed the promise of God, and were saved from utter ruin. {ST, April 22, 1886 par. 2}

That seems pretty clear that both Adam and Eve "were saved from utter ruin."

But what exactly is "utter ruin" to mean? for which life is it to be applied? It does seem to speak to their eternal destiny, but I'm not sure if that is the only application that might fit.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

They sincerely repented of their guilt, believed the promise of God, and were saved from utter ruin.

Repent, believe -> saved from utter ruin
Let's compare the two possibilities.

Temporal: Repentance and belief are not necessary for temporal success. In fact, sin is more successful in the short run. True, sin always comes with suffering, but it's temporal advantages often mitigate the pain. Furthermore, repentance and belief often lead to temporal ruin. Consider the faithful whose heads have been lopped off. Yes, an argument can be made both ways, but there will be an argument.

Eternal: In this sense, everything fits perfectly. Utter ruin is guaranteed without repentance and belief. Salvation from utter ruin is guaranteed by repentance and unbelief. There is no argument.

I'm not saying this is more plausible than your interpretation, Arnold, because that does seem pretty solid, but what about the fact that Adam and Eve did not die that literal day, and only can be said to have died in one of God's "millennial days" as defined in 2 Peter 3:8? Would that have been a saving from "utter ruin" at that time?

I guess, for me, it's still the time element that seems open to other understandings. Furthermore, I'm still confused as to why Ellen White speaks so strongly of Adam, the patriarch of the human family, being in Heaven, but breathes not a word of Eve, the first human sinner and mother of all mankind after the first couple. It just seems like there is a void in her statement about Adam in Heaven. Where is Eve? Why is she not mentioned?

Could it be that Eve is not mentioned in Heaven for another reason, if indeed she is to be there? Perhaps this is to highlight for us the fact that in Heaven, marriage will cease to be a part of our relationships.

It just seems that inspiration always has a reason for saying things and for omitting things. Sometimes those omissions are fraught with meaning.

Still wondering...

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

It has not been revealed to us, why do you continue to speculate? Why do you make so much of Eve being the first sinner? Adam could have stopped the problem, but he CHOSE to propagate the problem. As it is written Romans 5:12 Why, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed on all men,...

I'll remember this the next time you speculate about DNA.


I didn't say she was the first sinner. If I did, I apologize. She wasn't the first sinner.


First of all, "Adam" means the first man and woman, as Genesis 5:2 so well informs us. Secondly, "man" in Romans 5:12 very probably refers to EVE. Its Greek word is "anthropos," meaning man or woman. Since you might give more credence to the Bible lexicon, I'll quote it.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green, if you sincerely repent of your guilt, believe in the promise of God, and are saved from utter ruin, does that mean you may be lost?

There's been thing said which has brought on accusations of something against women in the past, though it was denied.

I believe I've seen enough evidence. I'm ready to vote. I'm casting mine with the, "there's an agenda here".