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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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08/08/13 01:13 AM
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There is. And God said there would be. If you read Genesis 3, you find three curses. Gen_3:14, the snake would crawl on its belly? Did God cause this to happen? No. Gen_3:17-18, the ground was cursed. Did God cause this to happen? No. These were the results of sin. Gen_3:16 is the one now in question here: Gen_3:16 To the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in sorrow you shall bring forth children; and your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you. Is this God setting up some "gospel order" of man over woman? No. This was what was going to happen with men being the stronger sex ruling over the woman who was the weaker sex. One wonders if there was much difference in strength before sin, but we have as much information on that as we do whether Eve will be in heaven. The fact remains, that God just declared what was going to happen in Gen_3:16 as he did in verses 14, 15, 17 and 18. The plan of redemption envisions the restoration of all of mankind, back to where all has equal share in the Kingdom, where there is no differentiation between Jew or Greek, free or slave, male or female.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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08/08/13 03:53 AM
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The gospel was first preached to Adam and Eve in Eden. They sincerely repented of their guilt, believed the promise of God, and were saved from utter ruin. {ST, April 22, 1886 par. 2}
That seems pretty clear that both Adam and Eve "were saved from utter ruin." But what exactly is "utter ruin" to mean? for which life is it to be applied? It does seem to speak to their eternal destiny, but I'm not sure if that is the only application that might fit.
Green, if you sincerely repent of your guilt, believe in the promise of God, and are saved from utter ruin, does that mean you may be lost? kland, Can one sincerely repent of his or her guilt and yet apostatize from the truth later? Would Adam's salvation constitute being "saved from utter ruin," even if Eve were not saved? In other words, perhaps "utter ruin" could mean that ALL was lost. But if Adam were saved, all would not have been lost--only part. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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08/08/13 05:44 AM
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Other than the argument of SILENCE (meaning no information is given) what makes you think Eve is lost? Neither scripture nor EGW indicate any such thing.
The depiction of Adam restored, is built on the same premise as Romans 5
5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
We could start a whole thread arguing that death and sin came by ONE MAN, namely Adam, and that Eve's sin didn't have any bearing on the whole race going down.
Eve is not mentioned by Paul in this situation. He doesn't say it was Eve who plunged the world into sin and death, it was Adam. Adam stood at the head of the human race, he was the representative of this world, until he sold out to satan. Adam lost the inheritance for the whole human race. Christ won back that inheritance for the human race by taking Adam's place at the head of the human race and taking Adam's punishment and being victorious where Adam failed. When Adam is restored it is symbolic of the whole of the redeemed human race being restored by Christ.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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08/08/13 08:22 AM
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Dedication,
You appear to not have read the whole thread. I've already addressed the points you are asking about in your above post. Please read through again, and if you don't find where I have addressed these things, perhaps I'll take time to reiterate them.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Can one sincerely repent of his or her guilt and yet apostatize from the truth later? And do you have evidence that Eve apostatized from the truth later?
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Can one sincerely repent of his or her guilt and yet apostatize from the truth later? And do you have evidence that Eve apostatized from the truth later? Nope. I only have the statement that omits any mention of Eve in heaven, while singularly referring to Adam being restored to his Eden home. But who else lived there? Is Adam to be there alone in Heaven? These are merely questions. You might call them "speculations." I am not speculating. I am just asking questions. Speculating is when people make a claim to something for which there is no evidence. I am not claiming that Eve will not be in Heaven. I do not know any more than what I am reading tells me. But the material I read leaves big questions in my mind about this. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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08/09/13 06:34 AM
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I only have the statement that omits any mention of Eve in heaven, while singularly referring to Adam being restored to his Eden home. But who else lived there? Is Adam to be there alone in Heaven?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. I have read the thread, and I saw others write similar to what I just wrote in my last post, yet you have never addressed the issue as far as I can see. You see the quote by EGW as simply a welcome party for Adam, (minus Eve) not as the symbolic continuity with Romans 5:12-17 Why didn't Paul in Romans 5:12-17 mention Eve?
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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I have read the thread, and I saw others write similar to what I just wrote in my last post, yet you have never addressed the issue as far as I can see. You see the quote by EGW as simply a welcome party for Adam, (minus Eve) not as the symbolic continuity with Romans 5:12-17
Why didn't Paul in Romans 5:12-17 mention Eve? Why do you believe Paul didn't speak of Eve? I brought this up earlier in the thread, but perhaps as it was not addressed to you you didn't focus upon it. Romans 5:12 does not speak of the man Adam. It speaks of "anthropos," meaning "human." Certainly, Eve was human. So it could easily be understood here that Paul refers specifically to Eve, as she was the first sinner among humans, and Paul has used the word in singular form, coupled explicitly with the word "one," i.e. "one human." Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Can one sincerely repent of his or her guilt and yet apostatize from the truth later? And do you have evidence that Eve apostatized from the truth later? Nope. I only have the statement that omits any mention of Eve in heaven, while singularly referring to Adam being restored to his Eden home. But who else lived there? Is Adam to be there alone in Heaven? These are merely questions. You might call them "speculations." I am not speculating. I am just asking questions. Speculating is when people make a claim to something for which there is no evidence. I am not claiming that Eve will not be in Heaven. I do not know any more than what I am reading tells me. But the material I read leaves big questions in my mind about this. It seems several of us got the idea you were saying Eve was not going to be in heaven. But if you are going to speculate on what's that which is not written, then you should also consider other ones not specifically mentioned. Have you looked for Able, Seth, Noah, etc. being specifically mentioned?
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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08/09/13 08:02 PM
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Romans 5:12 does not speak of the man Adam. It speaks of "anthropos," meaning "human." Certainly, Eve was human. So it could easily be understood here that Paul refers specifically to Eve, as she was the first sinner among humans, and Paul has used the word in singular form, coupled explicitly with the word "one," i.e. "one human." Yes, verse 12 speaks of one generic person. However, verse 14 specifies Adam as the starting point of death. It seems that either Eve's sin did not earn death, or Adam is the representative for Eve.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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