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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Eve did not bring death on all humans, Adam did. Adam could have stopped it. He did not. Eve was deceived, Adam was not. The "one human", was Adam.
In the midst of Eden grew the tree of life, whose fruit had the power of perpetuating life. Had Adam remained obedient to God, he would have continued to enjoy free access to this tree and would have lived forever. But when he sinned he was cut off from partaking of the tree of life, and he became subject to death. The divine sentence, "Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return," points to the utter extinction of life. {DD 14.2}
Immortality, promised to man on condition of obedience, had been forfeited by transgression. Adam could not transmit to his posterity that which he did not possess; and there could have been no hope for the fallen race had not God, by the sacrifice of His Son, brought immortality within their reach. While "death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned," Christ "hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." Rom_5:12; 2Ti_1:10. {DD 14.3}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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If Adam did not sin, would Eve had died anyway?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Paul said that the wages of sin is death. So if Eve had sinned, then she should have died.
Yet, Paul seems to have also said that death started with Adam. So until Adam sinned, there was no death.
That's both from Scripture. But it's not quite as obvious as a billboard. This will need some digging.
C'mon APL, step your game up. You didn't think there would be a question if it was obvious, did you?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Adam was the son of God. Luke 3:38 He stood at the head of the human race and he took down the whole human race with him.
For our redemption Christ became human and as our elder brother now stands at the head of the human race, offering life to all who will accept Him.
"Adam’s sin in Eden plunged the human race into hopeless misery. But in the scheme of salvation a way has been provided for all to escape if they comply with the requirements. {CTr 215.2}
"In the fullness of time He (Jesus Christ) was to be revealed in human form. He was to take His position at the head of humanity by taking the nature but not the sinfulness of man (ST May 29, 1901).
"Christ laid aside his royal robe and kingly crown, and clothed his divinity with humanity, that he might stand at the head of the human race. In man's behalf Christ volunteered to pass over the ground where Adam fell, and, by living a life of perfect obedience, place the race on vantage-ground. {RH, November 3, 1904
"The Lord Jesus ... passed over the ground where Adam fell, but He was steadfast. He resisted the devil, and in behalf of the human race was Conqueror.
"He was passing over the ground where Adam fell. He was now where, if He endured the test and trial in behalf of the fallen race, He would redeem Adam’s disgraceful failure and fall, in our own humanity. {CTr 213.4}
Christ was now to stand where Adam stood, bearing humanity and overcoming in behalf of the race where Adam fell. Manuscript 11, 1886. {CTr 216.5}
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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If Adam did not sin, would Eve had died anyway? Yes, but given an infinite number of iterations of the scenario, Adam would have chosen Eve every time. Adam LOVED Eve; just as God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son: over an infinite number of iterations? EVERY TIME!
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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"Adam’s sin in Eden plunged the human race into hopeless misery.{CTr 215.2} Maybe that's simply because Adam's sin made all humans sinners. Had Adam sinned first, then Eve's sin would have completed the fall of the human race. Had Adam not sinned, God could have replaced Eve. He did not realize that the same Infinite Power who had from the dust of the earth created him, a living, beautiful form, and had in love given him a companion, could supply her place. {PP 56.2}
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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had Adam stayed true to God-- and only Eve sinned, she would be separated from Adam and die. But death would not reign over the human race. She alone would die. Paul was talking about death reigning from Adam to Moses. Had Adam remained true, death would not be reigning over the human race. Adam would have continued to live as the head of the human race. (probably God would give him another companion) But Adam fell, thus he brought in death for the human race. Christ brought life to the human race. Adam understood that his companion had transgressed the command of God, disregarded the only prohibition laid upon them as a test of their fidelity and love. There was a terrible struggle in his mind. He mourned that he had permitted Eve to wander from his side. But now the deed was done; he must be separated from her whose society had been his joy. How could he have it thus? Adam had enjoyed the companionship of God and of holy angels. He had looked upon the glory of the Creator. He understood the high destiny opened to the human race should they remain faithful to God. Yet all these blessings were lost sight of in the fear of losing that one gift which in his eyes outvalued every other. Love, gratitude, loyalty to the Creator--all were overborne by love to Eve. She was a part of himself, and he could not endure the thought of separation. He did not realize that the same Infinite Power who had from the dust of the earth created him, a living, beautiful form, and had in love given him a companion, could supply her place. He resolved to share her fate; if she must die, he would die with her.
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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Paul said that the wages of sin is death. So if Eve had sinned, then she should have died.
Yet, Paul seems to have also said that death started with Adam. So until Adam sinned, there was no death.
That's both from Scripture. But it's not quite as obvious as a billboard. This will need some digging.
C'mon APL, step your game up. You didn't think there would be a question if it was obvious, did you? HELLO ASYGO - - The ANSWER IS OBVIOUS. It is very clear. And what Paul was talking about was the whole human race.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Will Eve be in Heaven?
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had Adam stayed true to God-- and only Eve sinned, she would be separated from Adam and die. But death would not reign over the human race. She alone would die. It does seem that way.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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