All John was saying was that Jesus was the one who created "the heaven and the earth" according to the will of HIS Father. See verse 2 and 3



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One of the greatest temptations of man comes in the desire to know. The desire is God-given, but when God chooses to withhold something, man oftentimes steps outside the circle and begins to speak of new secret knowledge, launching out into wild speculation.

What is worse is when those speculations are palmed off as "the spirit of prophecy". That palming-off is the voice of the devil.

It is written, "The secret things belong unto the Lord our God:but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." ( Deut. 29:29)

The word of God is enough. The soft and delicate words purporting to represent further insight, deeper understanding and new knowledge are best burnt, lest those that cling to it are burnt with it in hell.

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James,

Have you read Amos 3:7 lately? What does it mean to you?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Ahh. So the waters before creation week were residing upon the foundations of the earth.

No.

"In the beginning" is the start of the first week of creation, the moment when God created that shapeless, empty, dark amalgamation of "heaven and earth", from which would come our universe and everything within it.

This is what the Bible says, has always said and will continue to say.

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The people had forsaken God. He was going to punish them. To them, this punishment was something they took lightly, a thing they couldn't care less about. (Amos 3, read the entire chapter).

Therefore God whispered in the ear of Amos, a "secret". Yet, the promise of punishment was in the written word already. Amos was the watchman, the one to warn the people of wrath to come, that they might heed and repent.

He was not going around speculating about angels and conversations before time and after time and speaking of words supposedly uttered in heaven, saying, "I was shown, I was shown ..."

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No.

"In the beginning" is the start of creation for life on this planet earth.

Translated as you indicated:
the first week of creation, the moment when God created that shapeless, empty, dark amalgamation of "firmament and dry land",
The planet earth and water was already here. This is what the Bible says, has always said and will continue to say.

We both claim the Bible says it plainly. So who should people believe, you or me, and why?

You are misinterpreting Gen. 1 because you are projecting your own modern cosmological thinking on the passage. It is a GEO-CENTRIC universe. Here is the purpose of the sun, moon and stars: "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth."

And, from Wikipedia ...

"In astronomy, the geocentric model (also known as geocentrism, or the Ptolemaic system), is a description of the cosmos where Earth is at the orbital center of all celestial bodies. This model served as the predominant cosmological system in many ancient civilizations such as ancient Greece. As such, they assumed that the Sun, Moon, stars, and naked eye planets circled Earth."

-- Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model

That is why though it was said, "In the beginning, God created the 'heaven and the earth'," it reverts to speaking about the earth as the source and center of all things. It was THAT "heaven and earth", the primordial dark, liquid, shapeless amalgamation which was called "EARTH".

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James,

Either the "in the beginning" means the start of creation week, or it doesn't. The fact is, if it does, you have some explaining to do as to how it is that Heaven and Earth are formed in the midst of the week, and not at its start.

Where is there a "beginning" with God? The water and the elements pre-existed Creation Week. The second day, God divides the waters, but He never, during that week, said "Let there be water." Nor did He ever say "Let there be earth." He says, instead, "Let the dry [land] appear." This means it was already there--but wet! Water was there, land was there, before God spoke anything in that week. This means that those elements, void of life and empty in all other respects, were there already, just waiting for God to fashion something beautiful of them.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

At the beginning of the week, "heaven and earth" were as a seed. The animals and plants were in there as well (Heb. 7:9-10) During the week, everything was called forth, formed and named.



The Bible does not encourage such blasphemy as you seek saying, "Where is there a beginning with God?" Be humble. The secret things belong to HIM.

The "water and the elements", created at the beginning of the week, was the foundation material for everything in our universe. In short, everything was done IN SIX DAYS: from nothing.

I showed you in my previous post that Gen. 1 presumes a geocentric universe. The sun moon and stars were set in heaven to "divide the day from the night." Today we know that, instead, it is the earth's rotation towards and away from the sun that does that.

Here is a second proof that Gen. 1 presumes a geocentric universe: it says, "And THE EARTH was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." That DEEP was then lifted up, called heaven, and gave birth to the sun, moon and stars to serve the EARTH.

It was necessary that God call forth the seed of the universe from nothing at the beginning of the week, and that seed was THE EARTH at its core (from which would come all life), and HEAVEN surrounding it in water. In six days, that seed grew and became the house of God (Isaiah 66:1).

Such is the cosmology of Gen. 1. Stop trying to force your pre-conceived ideas on the text.
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