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Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #155374
08/24/13 12:26 AM
08/24/13 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
You [Arnold] speak about my interpretation of what you said, which you could not or most likely would not clearly state your position. Why? Because of the lack of good news in that view point.

On the contrary, it is good news. Your viewpoint is that which lacks goodness.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: Green Cochoa] #155383
08/24/13 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: APL
You [Arnold] speak about my interpretation of what you said, which you could not or most likely would not clearly state your position. Why? Because of the lack of good news in that view point.

On the contrary, it is good news. Your viewpoint is that which lacks goodness.

Many people err in thinking that good news is defined by what they think and feel is good. But good news is good because the news comes from our good God. The opinions of depraved humanity carries no weight.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: asygo] #155387
08/24/13 04:27 AM
08/24/13 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: APL
You [Arnold] speak about my interpretation of what you said, which you could not or most likely would not clearly state your position. Why? Because of the lack of good news in that view point.

On the contrary, it is good news. Your viewpoint is that which lacks goodness.

Many people err in thinking that good news is defined by what they think and feel is good. But good news is good because the news comes from our good God. The opinions of depraved humanity carries no weight.
Again - attacks, but no clarity. You even completely ignore the quotations of EGW which refute your view that we learn so little about the character of God from the life of Jesus Christ, on this planet... Why? Because you cannot refute them. Interesting indeed.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #155390
08/24/13 02:56 PM
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APL,

You are not ready for translation. You better change your diet to being even more extreme than it now is, so that you can be ready for translation to Heaven. Here's the proof:

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven. The less feverish the diet, the more easily can the passions be controlled. Gratification of taste should not be consulted irrespective of physical, intellectual, or moral health. {2T 352.1}


You are still eating vegetables. You probably still eat nuts. Maybe honey. You have too "feverish" a diet. You better start eating just fruits and grains. Then you can say you are ready for translation.

* * * * * * *


Now, if you continue interpreting Ellen White as strictly as you have been, you are obliged to follow that counsel to eat just fruits and grains. If, however, you determine that statement to be imbalanced and only partially representative of Mrs. White's true position on the diet question, then how is it that you can justify looking only at a few of her statements on this question--the one of this thread?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: Green Cochoa] #155391
08/24/13 04:39 PM
08/24/13 04:39 PM
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Green - are you ready for translation? Matthews 7 comes to mind.

Diet - - LOL. You green have been shown to pick and choose what you will believe, do you not recall???? Have you read the show chapter in 2T you quoted? I have it marked up. You should read the whole chapter. In fact, it is one of the chapters that clearly contradicts those that view humans with dualism, that the spiritual nature is somehow separate from the physical body. Read the chapter green, with an open mind, without your preconceived ideas.

EGW, "God destroys no man". Is that a radical idea to you Green? Is that a narrow imbalanced "interpretation"? Or do you indeed believe the testimony of Christ as He revealed the Father to be, just like Him? "Hear Him".


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #155392
08/24/13 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Green - are you ready for translation? Matthews 7 comes to mind.

Diet - - LOL. You green have been shown to pick and choose what you will believe, do you not recall???? Have you read the show chapter in 2T you quoted? I have it marked up. You should read the whole chapter. In fact, it is one of the chapters that clearly contradicts those that view humans with dualism, that the spiritual nature is somehow separate from the physical body. Read the chapter green, with an open mind, without your preconceived ideas.

EGW, "God destroys no man". Is that a radical idea to you Green? Is that a narrow imbalanced "interpretation"? Or do you indeed believe the testimony of Christ as He revealed the Father to be, just like Him? "Hear Him".


Sorry, but the testimony of Jesus says otherwise. He said, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Mat. 10:28)

God HIMSELF destroys those who report, ignore and discriminate against his people. Jesus said so.

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Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: James Peterson] #155394
08/24/13 06:07 PM
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Jim - don't stop at verse 28, continue reading!

Matthew 10:29-42
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear you not therefore, you are of more value than many sparrows.
32 Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receives you receives me, and he that receives me receives him that sent me.
41 He that receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whoever shall give to drink to one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, truly I say to you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #155397
08/24/13 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Jim - don't stop at verse 28, continue reading!

Matthew 10:29-42
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear you not therefore, you are of more value than many sparrows.
32 Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receives you receives me, and he that receives me receives him that sent me.
41 He that receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whoever shall give to drink to one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, truly I say to you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.


You are comparing apples to oranges.

Jesus was repeating the prophecy made to the serpent in the Garden of Eden about enmity between it and the woman, its seed and hers. God was going to call the righteous to speak; but the wicked were going to dislike that.

In the post-millennial judgement however, God HIMSELF is going to destroy the wicked, even to the very root: the serpent, the being against whom even the angels of God require the assistance of Michael to fight (Dan. 10).

The times that are now are different to the judgement after the millennium.
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Last edited by James Peterson; 08/24/13 08:00 PM.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: James Peterson] #155404
08/25/13 12:36 AM
08/25/13 12:36 AM
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Yep - he will heap coals of fire on their head.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: kland] #155409
08/25/13 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
The point I'm making is, if liberals can recognize the wrong of Christians using force and coercion to make people do what they want, would they see any difference if God did the same thing? And is that why they are so repulsed by anything religious because of how so-called Christians have used their opinion of what God is like to implement their own agendas? That if God uses similar means, they want nothing to do with God.

It is true that man has no business forcing others to bow to his own opinions. But that is no reason for us to conform our ways to the liberals' agenda.

Many were repulsed by Jesus, to the point that they crucified Him. They hated His holiness. They wanted nothing to do with Him. Should He have changed His ways? Should we avoid His example?

We do what we do because it's what God wants, regardless of the opinion of man, including liberals. It is high time we stand for our supposed Leader, rather than cowering in fear of man's opinion. Peter learned his lesson when the cock crowed, and we would be wise to do the same.

And if liberals were so opposed to coercion, why do they coerce me to fund their irresponsibility, licentiousness, fornication, and murder? Where is the outrage over that? Perhaps their real concern is that they are not the ones doing the coercing.

In any case, I have no intention of conforming my life to their specifications. If they don't like the fact that God guarantees that sinners will die eternally, that's too bad for them becaue I don't think God is going to bow down to them either.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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