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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Johann] #155305
08/22/13 01:02 PM
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Writing in Signs of the Times, June 24, 1889, Ellen White shared an intimate moment from her early years:

Quote:
“When in my youth God opened the Scriptures to my mind, giving me light upon the truths of his word, I went forth to proclaim to others the precious news of salvation. My brother wrote to me, and said, 'I beg of you not to disgrace the family. I will do anything for you if you will not go out as a preacher.’

"’Disgrace the family!’ I replied, ’Can it disgrace the family for me to preach Christ and Him crucified! If you would give me all the gold your house could hold, I would not cease giving my testimony for God. I have respect unto the recompense of the reward. I will not keep silent, for when God imparts his light to me, he means that I shall diffuse it to others, according to my ability.’

“Did not the priests and rulers come to the disciples, and command them to cease preaching in the name of Christ? They shut the faithful men in prison, but the angel of the Lord released them that they might speak the words of life to the people. This is our work.”


Ellen’s brother was not the last to object to her preaching. After speaking in a tiny Northern California town in 1880, she shared in a letter to her husband, James, some backstage information:

Quote:
“Elder Haskell talked in the afternoon and his labors were well received. I had in the evening, it was stated, the largest congregation that had ever assembled at Arbuckle. The house was full. Many came from five to ten and twelve miles. The Lord gave me special power in speaking. The congregation listened as if spell-bound. Not one left the house although I talked above one hour. Before I commenced talking, Elder Haskell had a bit [piece] of paper that was handed [him] in quoting [a] certain text prohibiting women speaking in public. He took up the matter in a brief manner and very clearly expressed the meaning of the apostles words. I understand it was a Cambelite [sic] who wrote the objection and it had been well circulated [among the audience] before it reached the desk; but Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people" (Letter 17a, April 1, 1880; Manuscript Releases, vol. 10, p. 70).


"Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people." What did he make plain before the people? Ellen White does not give the details, but she expects normal people to deduct that from the story itself. Is that not plain?

We are not dealing with a mental game for fun where only magic words from a non cherry picking quote of yours count and give you the needed points to win the game.

What does this say about how Ellen dealt with those who were using the words of the KJV against her? The same words that so many are still using. . .

Do you see no similarity to what the Puritans (Waldenses) and Baptist had to say about certain wording in the King James Version? How many magic words does it take?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Johann] #155316
08/22/13 04:23 PM
08/22/13 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: Johann
Writing in Signs of the Times, June 24, 1889, Ellen White shared an intimate moment from her early years:

Quote:
“When in my youth God opened the Scriptures to my mind, giving me light upon the truths of his word, I went forth to proclaim to others the precious news of salvation. My brother wrote to me, and said, 'I beg of you not to disgrace the family. I will do anything for you if you will not go out as a preacher.’

"’Disgrace the family!’ I replied, ’Can it disgrace the family for me to preach Christ and Him crucified! If you would give me all the gold your house could hold, I would not cease giving my testimony for God. I have respect unto the recompense of the reward. I will not keep silent, for when God imparts his light to me, he means that I shall diffuse it to others, according to my ability.’

“Did not the priests and rulers come to the disciples, and command them to cease preaching in the name of Christ? They shut the faithful men in prison, but the angel of the Lord released them that they might speak the words of life to the people. This is our work.”


Ellen’s brother was not the last to object to her preaching. After speaking in a tiny Northern California town in 1880, she shared in a letter to her husband, James, some backstage information:

Quote:
“Elder Haskell talked in the afternoon and his labors were well received. I had in the evening, it was stated, the largest congregation that had ever assembled at Arbuckle. The house was full. Many came from five to ten and twelve miles. The Lord gave me special power in speaking. The congregation listened as if spell-bound. Not one left the house although I talked above one hour. Before I commenced talking, Elder Haskell had a bit [piece] of paper that was handed [him] in quoting [a] certain text prohibiting women speaking in public. He took up the matter in a brief manner and very clearly expressed the meaning of the apostles words. I understand it was a Cambelite [sic] who wrote the objection and it had been well circulated [among the audience] before it reached the desk; but Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people" (Letter 17a, April 1, 1880; Manuscript Releases, vol. 10, p. 70).


"Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people." What did he make plain before the people? Ellen White does not give the details, but she expects normal people to deduct that from the story itself. Is that not plain?

We are not dealing with a mental game for fun where only magic words from a non cherry picking quote of yours count and give you the needed points to win the game.

What does this say about how Ellen dealt with those who were using the words of the KJV against her? The same words that so many are still using. . .

Do you see no similarity to what the Puritans (Waldenses) and Baptist had to say about certain wording in the King James Version? How many magic words does it take?
And yet the Reformation came about as the Reformers came into contact with text from the Waldenses Bibles, why couldnt they see it in the Catholic versions.......????

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #155330
08/22/13 10:33 PM
08/22/13 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: Johann
Writing in Signs of the Times, June 24, 1889, Ellen White shared an intimate moment from her early years:

Quote:
“When in my youth God opened the Scriptures to my mind, giving me light upon the truths of his word, I went forth to proclaim to others the precious news of salvation. My brother wrote to me, and said, 'I beg of you not to disgrace the family. I will do anything for you if you will not go out as a preacher.’

"’Disgrace the family!’ I replied, ’Can it disgrace the family for me to preach Christ and Him crucified! If you would give me all the gold your house could hold, I would not cease giving my testimony for God. I have respect unto the recompense of the reward. I will not keep silent, for when God imparts his light to me, he means that I shall diffuse it to others, according to my ability.’

“Did not the priests and rulers come to the disciples, and command them to cease preaching in the name of Christ? They shut the faithful men in prison, but the angel of the Lord released them that they might speak the words of life to the people. This is our work.”


Ellen’s brother was not the last to object to her preaching. After speaking in a tiny Northern California town in 1880, she shared in a letter to her husband, James, some backstage information:

Quote:
“Elder Haskell talked in the afternoon and his labors were well received. I had in the evening, it was stated, the largest congregation that had ever assembled at Arbuckle. The house was full. Many came from five to ten and twelve miles. The Lord gave me special power in speaking. The congregation listened as if spell-bound. Not one left the house although I talked above one hour. Before I commenced talking, Elder Haskell had a bit [piece] of paper that was handed [him] in quoting [a] certain text prohibiting women speaking in public. He took up the matter in a brief manner and very clearly expressed the meaning of the apostles words. I understand it was a Cambelite [sic] who wrote the objection and it had been well circulated [among the audience] before it reached the desk; but Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people" (Letter 17a, April 1, 1880; Manuscript Releases, vol. 10, p. 70).


"Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people." What did he make plain before the people? Ellen White does not give the details, but she expects normal people to deduct that from the story itself. Is that not plain?

We are not dealing with a mental game for fun where only magic words from a non cherry picking quote of yours count and give you the needed points to win the game.

What does this say about how Ellen dealt with those who were using the words of the KJV against her? The same words that so many are still using. . .

Do you see no similarity to what the Puritans (Waldenses) and Baptist had to say about certain wording in the King James Version? How many magic words does it take?
And yet the Reformation came about as the Reformers came into contact with text from the Waldenses Bibles, why couldnt they see it in the Catholic versions.......????


Why do you ask this question here? Are we not dealing with the "superior" KJV?

It so happens that Martin Luther saw the light as he discovered an old Roman Catholic Bible in the attic of his Augustinian monastery. Here is what one auther saya about it:

Quote:
By the time of . . . Martin Luther, the Bible was a RARE book. The only "bible" available was the corrupt Latin Vulgate version which included corrupt words like priest, charity, church, etc. etc.


Later Luther translated the Bible into German which was published in 1534, 76 years before the KJV


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Johann] #155340
08/23/13 04:19 AM
08/23/13 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: Johann
Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: Johann
Writing in Signs of the Times, June 24, 1889, Ellen White shared an intimate moment from her early years:

Quote:
“When in my youth God opened the Scriptures to my mind, giving me light upon the truths of his word, I went forth to proclaim to others the precious news of salvation. My brother wrote to me, and said, 'I beg of you not to disgrace the family. I will do anything for you if you will not go out as a preacher.’

"’Disgrace the family!’ I replied, ’Can it disgrace the family for me to preach Christ and Him crucified! If you would give me all the gold your house could hold, I would not cease giving my testimony for God. I have respect unto the recompense of the reward. I will not keep silent, for when God imparts his light to me, he means that I shall diffuse it to others, according to my ability.’

“Did not the priests and rulers come to the disciples, and command them to cease preaching in the name of Christ? They shut the faithful men in prison, but the angel of the Lord released them that they might speak the words of life to the people. This is our work.”


Ellen’s brother was not the last to object to her preaching. After speaking in a tiny Northern California town in 1880, she shared in a letter to her husband, James, some backstage information:

Quote:
“Elder Haskell talked in the afternoon and his labors were well received. I had in the evening, it was stated, the largest congregation that had ever assembled at Arbuckle. The house was full. Many came from five to ten and twelve miles. The Lord gave me special power in speaking. The congregation listened as if spell-bound. Not one left the house although I talked above one hour. Before I commenced talking, Elder Haskell had a bit [piece] of paper that was handed [him] in quoting [a] certain text prohibiting women speaking in public. He took up the matter in a brief manner and very clearly expressed the meaning of the apostles words. I understand it was a Cambelite [sic] who wrote the objection and it had been well circulated [among the audience] before it reached the desk; but Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people" (Letter 17a, April 1, 1880; Manuscript Releases, vol. 10, p. 70).


"Elder Haskell made it all plain before the people." What did he make plain before the people? Ellen White does not give the details, but she expects normal people to deduct that from the story itself. Is that not plain?

We are not dealing with a mental game for fun where only magic words from a non cherry picking quote of yours count and give you the needed points to win the game.

What does this say about how Ellen dealt with those who were using the words of the KJV against her? The same words that so many are still using. . .

Do you see no similarity to what the Puritans (Waldenses) and Baptist had to say about certain wording in the King James Version? How many magic words does it take?
And yet the Reformation came about as the Reformers came into contact with text from the Waldenses Bibles, why couldnt they see it in the Catholic versions.......????


Why do you ask this question here? Are we not dealing with the "superior" KJV?

It so happens that Martin Luther saw the light as he discovered an old Roman Catholic Bible in the attic of his Augustinian monastery. Here is what one auther saya about it:

Quote:
By the time of . . . Martin Luther, the Bible was a RARE book. The only "bible" available was the corrupt Latin Vulgate version which included corrupt words like priest, charity, church, etc. etc.


Later Luther translated the Bible into German which was published in 1534, 76 years before the KJV

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
While Luther was opening a closed Bible to the people of Germany, Tyndale was impelled by the Spirit of God to do the same for England. Wycliffe's Bible had been translated from the Latin text, which contained many errors. It had never been printed, and the cost of manuscript copies was so great that few but wealthy men or nobles could procure it, and, furthermore, being strictly proscribed by the church, it had had a comparatively narrow circulation. In 1516, a year before the appearance of Luther's theses, Erasmus had published his Greek and Latin version of the New Testament. Now for the first time the Word of God was printed in the original tongue. In this work many errors of former versions were corrected, and the sense was more clearly rendered. It led many among the educated classes to a better knowledge of the truth, and gave a new impetus to the work of reform. But the common people were still, to a great extent, debarred from God's Word. Tyndale was to complete the work of Wycliffe in giving the Bible to his countrymen. {GC88 245.1}


According to the above, Johann, Erasmus' text had come out a year before Luther nailed his theses to the door. Your quote of an uninspired source is bested by this inspired one. Not only had the text already come out, but she says many of the educated class, which would have included the scholarly Luther, were enlightened by it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #155350
08/23/13 10:25 AM
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Green: Your citation "GC88 245.1" leads me to think that you are citing the 1888 edition of The Great Controversy. I wonder why, if I am correct, you are not citing a more recent version which is what most people have. Most do not have a copy of the 1888 edition.


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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155353
08/23/13 11:17 AM
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Just as I was going to answer this our president called and asked me - on a short notice - to have both a general lesson study - on revival - and a sermon tomorrow. . . Just a few hours to prepare.

Green, perhaps you'd in the meantime skip the external and deal with the real issue,

Last edited by Johann; 08/23/13 11:18 AM.

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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Johann] #155354
08/23/13 02:10 PM
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Johann,

The real issue is addressed in that Ellen White quote. The material that later went into the KJV was that which Erasmus compiled. Ellen White speaks well of it.

Gregory,

I was simply lazy to click through all the quotes for the regular GC (1911) edition. Almost always, the paragraphs will be identical anyhow, save for pagination.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #155360
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Quote:
I was simply lazy to click through all the quotes for the regular GC (1911) edition. Almost always, the paragraphs will be identical anyhow, save for pagination.


In this case they are identical.

Green: Right or wrong, people sometines question your useage of quoted material. When a current edition is available that people can check, it is much easier for one to check it out. When an edition is cited that is generally not available to most people it becomes hard for them to check it out.

In the event that there are changes, which is sometimes true, those changes can, in my opinon, be of great interest/value.




Last edited by Gregory; 08/23/13 05:16 PM.

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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155377
08/24/13 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
Quote:
I was simply lazy to click through all the quotes for the regular GC (1911) edition. Almost always, the paragraphs will be identical anyhow, save for pagination.


In this case they are identical.

Green: Right or wrong, people sometines question your useage of quoted material. When a current edition is available that people can check, it is much easier for one to check it out. When an edition is cited that is generally not available to most people it becomes hard for them to check it out.

In the event that there are changes, which is sometimes true, those changes can, in my opinon, be of great interest/value.




Gregory, and anyone else here on this forum: the latest and most up-to-date version of the Ellen White CD, containing all of her published materials, biographical materials, words of the pioneers, the King James Version Bible, Webster's 1828 Dictionary, and more is available at your local Adventist Book Center (ABC) for twenty dollars in both Mac and Windows formats.

It is truly a blessing to have these materials at hand, and to be able to easily find familiar statements in them via the search function.

I do often click past the compilation materials until I find the statement in an original work. But the GC 1888 is an original, and it is nearly the same as the GC 1911 edition in most cases.

God bless,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #155378
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And anyone who can access this site can also access the EGW writings online.


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