Read the quote again. The reforms are strained to a certain class, a certain class that need the strict reforms. Most do not need this strict of a reform, that group forms a small minority. But those you don't need to same degree of change attempt it and fail because they do not do it correctly. This minority is the class the bring disrepute to health reform. That is what she is saying.

Honestly, read your own statement here again, or have a friend read it with you. You aren't making sense to me. Your grammar is poor, and I don't catch what you are trying to communicate. If I am understanding what I think you may be trying to say, I would not see how you support it from the quote.

Here's the quote again, with my added comments this time in brackets.



There is nothing in that statement that indicates to me that anyone is required to give up milk and eggs. To the contrary, she indicates that only a very small minority of the people can safely do so without apparent harm (they can be "accommodated" that way), and she further speaks of this small minority saying that these "tests" (giving up the milk and eggs) "seem unnecessary."

In other words, she is saying it is unnecessary for anyone to give up milk and eggs prematurely.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Bad grammar, one says, SOME = ALL?

The reforms are necessary for a certain class. I will agree that she is not saying everyone must give these up, nor even the majority, and she is not saying that these things are absolutely necessary as you are trying to claim. Some (not the majority) who do try to give them up, do not do so with proper consideration and suffer harm, thus giving reform a bad name. Only some will suffer. Some is not the majority.

We are to teach the people how to cook without these things. You acknowledge this. But how effects if your teaching on the subject, when you claim it is health deform, not reform? I can hear you know! :-) "Here is how you cook without milk and eggs, but it will kill you!". That would be very effective teaching...

Mrs. White is not saying this. You are. You have no support for it.

Grammar is important.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

"Health reform" is necessary for everyone, of course. But in that statement above, Mrs. White refers to the "highest tension" reforms, meaning giving up milk and eggs. She says it might be ok for "a very small minority" of the people, but this does not mean it is "necessary" for them. To the contrary, she says: "these tests seem unnecessary" for them.

How you get that "unnecessary" = "necessary" is a mystery to me. There's nothing like reading through opinionated glasses to find unique answers that support those opinions.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

green - read the whole letter.
"While I would discard flesh meat as injurious, something less objectionable may be used, and this is found in eggs." So egss are "LESS" objectionable. Now that is an overwhelming endorsement.

"Those who take an extreme view of health reform are in danger of preparing tasteless dishes" Dishes with good taste is not hard to make. Thousands of recipes are now available.

"Brother and Sister -----, I have all confidence in you, and I greatly desire that you may have physical health, in order that you may have perfect soundness spiritually. It is the lack of suitable food that has caused you to suffer so keenly. You have not taken the food essential to nourish your frail physical strength. You must not deny yourself of good, wholesome food. {CD 203.3} " What they left out is not indicated.

"At one time Doctor ----- tried to teach our family to cook according to health reform, as he viewed it, without salt or anything else to season the food. Well, I determined to try it, but I became so reduced in strength that I had to make a change; and a different policy was entered upon with great success. I tell you this because I know that you are in positive danger. Food should be prepared in such a way that it will be nourishing. It should not be robbed of that which the system needs. {CD 203.4} " What was removed here? Seasoning!

"The Lord calls upon Brother and Sister ----- to reform, to take periods of rest. It is not right for you to take burdens as you have done in the past. Unless you take heed, you will sacrifice that life which is so precious in the sight of the Lord. "Ye are not your own; for ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." . . . {CD 203.5} " What was the prescription here? REST.

"Put into your diet something you have left out. It is your duty to do this. Get eggs of healthy fowls. Use these eggs cooked or raw. Drop them uncooked into the best unfermented wine you can find. This will supply that which is necessary to your system. Do not for a moment suppose that it will not be right to do this. . . . {CD 204.1} " Do you know who she was writing to? And do you know what his problem was? It was Dr. Kress. In the next sentence, she was recommending a blood transfusion. This was left out of the compilation CD. But we have it here: " This will supply that which is necessary to your system. Do not for a moment suppose that it will not be right to do this. There is one thing that has saved life--an infusion of blood from one person to another; but this would be difficult and perhaps impossible for you to do. I merely suggest it. {12MR 168.2}". Shall we then conclude, that along with our recommendation of giving raw eggs in wine, we should also recommend regular blood transfusions? I think not. This recommentation was to a specific person for a specific disease. The good doctor did live to a nice old age. Has medical science made any advancements in this area in the last 112 years?

"God has made provisions for those who live in the different countries of the world. Those who desire to be co-workers with God must consider carefully how they teach health reform in God's great vineyard. They must move carefully in specifying just what food should and should not be eaten. The human messenger must unite with the divine Helper in presenting the message of mercy to the multitudes God would save. {CD 205.3}

We are to be brought into connection with the masses. Should health reform be taught them in its most extreme form, harm would be done. We ask them to leave off eating meat and drinking tea and coffee. This is well. But some say that milk also should be given up. This is a subject that needs to be carefully handled. There are poor families whose diet consists of bread and milk, and, if they can get it, a little fruit. All flesh food should be discarded, but vegetables should be made palatable with a little milk or cream or something equivalent. The poor say, when health reform is presented to them, 'What shall we eat? We cannot afford to buy the nut foods.'" Health reform in its most extreme form - is she saying that giving up milk is wrong, or that to tell everyone them must give it up immediately is wrong? The subject needs to be carefully handled!!! Consider the poor! They may not be able to afford that which is most healthful.

"The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs; but my message is that you must not bring yourself to a time of trouble beforehand, and thus afflict yourself with death. Wait till the Lord prepares the way before you. {CD 206.1} " Has the LORD prepared a way for now? It certainly is easier now than it ever has been!

"The reforms that are strained to the highest tension might accommodate a certain class.." Yes, a certain class might NEED to go to the extreme in order to regain health, but the majority, at least in her day, do not.

"There are those who try to abstain from what is declared to be harmful. They fail to supply the system with proper nourishment, and as a consequence become weak and unable to work. . Thus health reform is brought to disrepute." Is this the majority as green says? No. But those that make sweeping changes without supplying the proper nourishment, will give the work a black eye.

"But God will interfere to prevent the results of these too-strenuous ideas. The gospel is to harmonize the sinful race. It is to bring the rich and the poor together at the feet of Jesus. . . . {CD 206.3} " Is God interfering. Health reform is being taught with great benefit to the sick. It is too bad that the non-SDA and the non-Christians are appearing to take the lead in many places. The rocks will cry out. People are sick and they need what God has given to this church to tell the world about health.

"But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this. No extremes in health reform are to be advocated. The question of using milk and butter and eggs will work out its own problem. At present we have no burden on this line. Let your moderation be known unto all men. {CD 206.4}" We had a cow die near here recently with mad cow disease. This was a MILK cow, not a beef cow. Is our milk save? Prions are not destroyed by heat treatment. Do people know the conditions in which their eggs are laid? Most do not. Things have changed considerably in the last 112 years. Let everyone be persuaded in their own mind.

APL,

I have already addressed much of what you present above. It seems pointless to present those truths again.

Regarding prions.

I'm not sure that I believe in prions. What are they? I have a feeling many would be surprised if they were to learn the truth about this.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

What - no regular blood transfusions?

Based upon what Gregory gave, Green is not an informed healthy person.


2.4 / .6 = 4

Green, do you eat 4 eggs every day?

And, I don't recall which link I read it, as people age, they cannot get it from food. And there's the food bound issue with some. Suppose the protein in the eggs may be causing an interference?

That's why they recommend a supplement. By you eating eggs, you are only deceiving yourself and misleading others into pretending you are getting enough B12. But really you are endangering your and other's health.

And maybe you should play the lottery. I think it was APL's link says deficiency is not very frequent. You say you are coming across them more and more frequently. Well, at least your criticisms are more frequent?


Suppose that would be the ones who are not informed and not healthy?


I guess you didn't accept you were in err before and you won't now. But one thing no, make that two things. You cannot show Ellen White instructing people to teach how to cook without milk and eggs is implying they should NOT give them up. You cannot show that teaching not to cook with milk and eggs is connected to the health deformers passage.

And another one!

Who can obtain. Green, who CANNOT obtain? The majority or now a very small minority?

Who has declared it? Can you back it up?
Please show where that those things are the only things which can supply the system with proper nourishment and please show how she means as you state.

Who's saying that? And who's saying we are NOT to give them up?
And was that at that time or this time?