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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #155682
09/01/13 05:15 PM
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Well here we have a solid work from a SDA author, and you dont even bother to go over the points he brings up, which are the main points of contention. Interesting...that says a lot...


Solid?

His points have been repeated elsewhere and by others. I am commenting on them as I choose.

In any case, his book is not considered to be good scholarship today.

He was writing in an area that was not his field, as we are doing in this thread.


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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155684
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
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Well here we have a solid work from a SDA author, and you dont even bother to go over the points he brings up, which are the main points of contention. Interesting...that says a lot...


Solid?

His points have been repeated elsewhere and by others. I am commenting on them as I choose.

In any case, his book is not considered to be good scholarship today.

He was writing in an area that was not his field, as we are doing in this thread.


You dont have to be a scholar on idols to be able to decide if its a graven image made by men or not. Same with these Alexandrian manuscripts, they were clearly corrupted back then with a purpose, and all through the years were seen as such, and rejected on solid doctrinal issues. And now they are brought back and we are told we cant discern their content, tell us what has changed.

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155714
09/03/13 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
Yes, and that work is over 80 years old. The author was a SDA scholar, but not in the area in which he wrote that work.

Gregory,

I do not expect any further support from your position, then, about this topic. You have disqualified yourself from this discussion. You believe that only a scholar who writes on his own area of expertise has anything valid to say. So much for what you have contributed here.

I daresay Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson was more highly qualified in this arena than any modern Adventist would be.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #155729
09/03/13 05:04 PM
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You believe that only a scholar who writes on his own area of expertise has anything valid to say. So much for what you have contributed here.


False. Typical of the miss-use of what one has said that I see in you.

A scholar who wites in his/her own area of expertise may be considered an expert. I have never claimed to be an expert in this field. I do not consider you to be and expert in this field.

However, people who are not experts, such as you and I, may have something valid to say and often do have something valid to say.

Frankly, my participation in this discussion indicates that I believe that valid issues have been raised in this thread. I do not generally waste my time in discussing issues where I belive that no valid issue has been raised.

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I daresay Dr. Benjamin Wilkinson was more highly qualified in this arena than any modern Adventist would be.


O.K. That is your belief. On what do you base that belief? The subject under discussion here has generally been the texts of the various MSS. Share with us your personal knowledge of the expertese that Dr. Wilkinson has of the MSS And the development of the text.

Next, please share with us how you have determined that no modern Adventist has as much knowledge as does Wilkinson.

As has been pointed out, I have not posted much in criticism of Wilkinson's book. The reason for this is: Others have already done so. There is a reason that his book was not further published. Those reasons and the criticism are well known. There is nothing that I could contribute in this area that has not already been said. So, I see no need to simply repeat what others have said.

I am interested, however, in your statement that you consider him to be better qualified than any other modern Adventist. Certainly you are entitled to your opinion. I just wondered as to the basis for your opinion. To make such a broad statement, I wonder if you know the majority of modern Adventist scholars who might be better qualified. Your statement sounds like it comes from someone who does not know the majority of such. But, I could be wrong.


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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #155735
09/03/13 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: Gregory
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Well here we have a solid work from a SDA author, and you dont even bother to go over the points he brings up, which are the main points of contention. Interesting...that says a lot...


Solid?

His points have been repeated elsewhere and by others. I am commenting on them as I choose.

In any case, his book is not considered to be good scholarship today.

He was writing in an area that was not his field, as we are doing in this thread.


You dont have to be a scholar on idols to be able to decide if its a graven image made by men or not. Same with these Alexandrian manuscripts, they were clearly corrupted back then with a purpose, and all through the years were seen as such, and rejected on solid doctrinal issues. And now they are brought back and we are told we cant discern their content, tell us what has changed.
Is that what "Solid" means? Self decides?

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155739
09/03/13 06:38 PM
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A person can be an expert (scholar) in one field, but that does not make that person an expert in another field.


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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155755
09/04/13 05:20 AM
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Matthew 5:22 KJV But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:22 RV but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire.

Guess which one EGW quoted in the book, Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: APL] #155758
09/04/13 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
Share with us your personal knowledge of the expertese that Dr. Wilkinson has of the MSS And the development of the text.

I never met the man, so I have no personal knowledge. Do you have such knowledge? If so, please share.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: APL] #155760
09/04/13 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Matthew 5:22 KJV But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:22 RV but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire.

Guess which one EGW quoted in the book, Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing?


Why would Ellen White prefer the wording of the RV here - a rendering which eliminated the words "without a cause" in this particular verse?

How could Ellen White get away with that if this is not permissible today?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Johann] #155761
09/04/13 10:56 AM
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The online EGWhite index lists 489 times where Ellen White quotes the RV.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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