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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157266
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In the September's Nutrition Action Healthletter referencing "Cancer Prev. Res. 4",

Looking at 27,600 men who had no prostate cancer, researchers found that "those who reported eating at least 2 1/2 eggs a week had an 81 percent higher risk of dying of prostate cancer than those who consumed less than half an egg a week."

To get your vitamin B12 from eggs, as Green recommends, you would have to eat 4 to 9 eggs each and every day to get your recommended daily allowance. That seems a little more than 2.5 eggs per week!

So Green may have good advice. You won't die from B12 deficiency by eating eggs every day. Just..... you might have some other problems. Like an 81% higher risk of dying from prostate cancer! Then there's the cholesterol, fat, sodium.... And not mentioning it's only a false sense of getting B12, which as was pointed out was food locked.

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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #157268
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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #157269
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kland,

Guess what? If you are a vegan, you have 2.1 times the risk of cervical cancer over a meat eater. smile

Do you think the FDA gives good recommendations, and accurate, about the RDA?

What kind of eggs do you suppose they tested for their RDA recommendations? I expect they sampled the ordinary store shelf variety. What do you think? Do you know of any tests that compare B12 equivalencies between those unwholesome eggs and the organic, free-range farm variety?

I can assure you, there is a great difference in egg quality. If you are not consuming eggs, you may not have observed this. The differences are many, including color, taste, and healthiness, and healthfulness.

But no one says that B12 is present in a strictly vegan dietary without supplementation. If you have access to suitable supplements, be content. Hopefully they live up to the claims made of them. For those who have not such advantages, the good ol' egg from the neighbor's farm does quite well at supplying the body's nutritional need.

I will be the last to recommend the typical store variety of eggs. It probably does increase the risk of prostate cancer--maybe more than you are quoting here.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157282
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Originally Posted By: green
Guess what? If you are a vegan, you have 2.1 times the risk of cervical cancer over a meat eater.
Surprise! Not True! You will need to supply a quotation for this! In fact, data is just the opposite. "Vegan" diet is associated with a decrease in woman diseases. Vegan women had a 34 percent lower rates of female-specific cancers such as breast, cervical, and ovarian cancer. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929. And this published by Loma Linda Univ. from the AHS-2.


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157283
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Do you think the FDA gives good recommendations, and accurate, about the RDA?

What kind of eggs do you suppose they tested for their RDA recommendations? I expect they sampled the ordinary store shelf variety. What do you think? Do you know of any tests that compare B12 equivalencies between those unwholesome eggs and the organic, free-range farm variety?
Since you are the one promoting eggs as a source of B12, please tell us. Tell us how much B12 are in eggs, how much B12 we need each day, and how many eggs we need to eat to supply that need.

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But no one says that B12 is present in a strictly vegan dietary without supplementation. If you have access to suitable supplements, be content. Hopefully they live up to the claims made of them. For those who have not such advantages, the good ol' egg from the neighbor's farm does quite well at supplying the body's nutritional need.
This is a bald faced statement you need to support.

Otherwise, you end up sounding.... well... sounding the way you sound.

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157294
10/18/13 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: green
Guess what? If you are a vegan, you have 2.1 times the risk of cervical cancer over a meat eater.
Surprise! Not True! You will need to supply a quotation for this!

Here's one. I haven't been able to relocate the clearer source of this, in another statistic from the same study, which I have read somewhere. In any case, this statistic is relevant enough.

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/cancer#cervical

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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157298
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: green
Guess what? If you are a vegan, you have 2.1 times the risk of cervical cancer over a meat eater.
Surprise! Not True! You will need to supply a quotation for this!

Here's one. I haven't been able to relocate the clearer source of this, in another statistic from the same study, which I have read somewhere. In any case, this statistic is relevant enough.

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/cancer#cervical

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Nope - that link does not your claim about VEGANs. I think the AHS-2 study trumps that one which shows VEGANS have a lower risk of cervical cancer.


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157329
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Green, are you saying that you have no idea how much B12 are in eggs, how much B12 we need each day, and how many eggs we need to eat to supply that need?

Are you saying you feeeel that eggs must supply B12, that you feeeel the B12 must be available to you, that you feeeel the number of eggs you have chosen to eat gives the exact amount you need? And you feeeel the need to blindly promote eggs when you get the chance have no idea how much B12 is in eggs, how much B12 you need, nor how many eggs supply that amount of B12?

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #157388
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Originally Posted By: kland
Green, are you saying that you have no idea how much B12 are in eggs, how much B12 we need each day, and how many eggs we need to eat to supply that need?

Are you saying you feeeel that eggs must supply B12, that you feeeel the B12 must be available to you, that you feeeel the number of eggs you have chosen to eat gives the exact amount you need? And you feeeel the need to blindly promote eggs when you get the chance have no idea how much B12 is in eggs, how much B12 you need, nor how many eggs supply that amount of B12?


kland,

Yes, I'm saying I do not know. I have never had equipment, training, nor ability to sample the B12 content of eggs, nor do I have a human-body "user's manual" that tells me just how much B12 each human needs in his or her diet.

Here's what I have, from a higher authority than myself:

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
I dreamed of having the care of a child that was weak, and seemed unable to rally. I thought the same physician stood by the cradle, and said, 'Have you any wine in the house? Beat up a raw egg, and give it to the child with grape wine [i.e., the unfermented juice of the grape], three times each day. He will rally.'--Letter 112a, 1897. {3MR 321.3}

When a letter came to me from Cooranbong, saying that Dr.----- was dying, I was that night instructed that he must have a change of diet. A raw egg, taken two or three times a day, would give the nourishment that he greatly needed. {TSDF 41.7}

After this Dr. Lay came to me and said, "I have gone as far as I can go, but Brother Wilson is sinking. I cannot arouse him." I said, "Last night I dreamed that my sick child was sinking. I asked the skillful Physician, who has never lost a case, what I should do. The answer came, "Break an egg into a glass of unfermented wine, and give him such a drink two or three times a day, until the exhaustion is gone and there is a revival of the life forces." Snatching up his hat, Dr. Lay said, "This is of the Lord. We shall save Brother Wilson yet." And off he went. For three days he gave him egg and wine, and he was soon fully recovered. {12MR 171.4}
This Brother Wilson was the father of our beloved Brother Wilson who died in Queensland, Australia. {12MR 172.1}
I write you this that you may see that the very simplest things may be used as remedial agents in placing one in great danger in a favorable condition. {12MR 172.2}
I have something to say in reference to extreme views of health reform. Health reform becomes health deform, a health destroyer, when it is carried to extremes. You will not be successful in sanitariums where the sick are treated if you prescribe for the patients the same diet you have prescribed for yourself and your wife. I assure you that your ideas in regard to diet for the sick are not advisable. The change is too great. While I would discard flesh meat as injurious, something less objectionable may be used, and this is found in eggs. Do not remove milk from the table or forbid its being used in the cooking of food. The milk used should be procured from healthy cows, and should be sterilized. {12MR 172.3}


From what Mrs. White says, even two eggs may be sufficient to provide the needed nourishment per day. She says "two or three" per day.

I believe her more than all of the "science" of the world.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157401
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