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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #157644
10/28/13 05:13 AM
10/28/13 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Thou Shalt not kill is one of God's law.

This law is not in the Bible. It's in your head. Which is interesting, because I think you prefer the NIV which says correctly, "Thou shalt not murder." There is a difference. I have now posted on that and provided a link to those materials. Again, you may find them HERE.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Green Cochoa] #157659
10/28/13 03:09 PM
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Have I ever said I prefer the NIV? Please - give me a reference to that. If you cannot, then why do you suggest it?

Exodus 20:13 KJV Thou shalt not kill.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #157663
10/28/13 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Exodus 20:13 KJV Thou shalt not kill.

Which is a mistranslation. The Bible source text says "Thou shalt not murder." There is never a command in God's Word against killing. Far from it, killing was frequently commanded.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Green Cochoa] #157664
10/28/13 04:06 PM
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What? The KJV is wrong??? Say it is not so! Of course, commands were also given on divorce which God never wanted.

The law has to be broken in order to ensure that it was kept. This is Satan’s message. He does not say that the law is wholly bad and should be entirely done away with. He admits that under certain circumstances it is good and should be obeyed. But he continues that the law is not perfect for there are situations where it must be disobeyed in order to solve the problems arising.

What is the penalty for killing another human? Death
What is the penalty for lying? Death
What is the penalty for adultery? Death
What is the penalty for Sabbath breaking? Death

Why are the "civil" governments not implementing the death penalty for adultery and lying? Green - would you advocate for imposing the death penalty for all these violations of the law? If not, why not?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Green Cochoa] #157666
10/28/13 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
What is the penalty for killing another human? Death

If, and only if, that killing were a murder. Some killings did not result in death.

Again, you may find the details HERE.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Green Cochoa] #157667
10/28/13 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
What is the penalty for lying? Death

If, and only if, the lie were made with the intent of putting someone else to death, in witness against them. Otherwise, the penalty was not death.

Unless you're thinking of a different kind of "lie," e.g. "And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them." ??

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Green Cochoa] #157668
10/28/13 04:21 PM
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Romans 6:23 KJV For the wages of sin is death.

Is that a mistranslation?

Are you saying that lying is not a sin?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #157670
10/28/13 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Romans 6:23 KJV For the wages of sin is death.

Is that a mistranslation?

Are you saying that lying is not a sin?

That's called "bait and switch." You are not ignorant of your tactics, I presume.

If you want to go there, then, yes, you get God's death penalty for eating a piece of fruit when God has told you not to.

In fact, you get the death penalty just for looking on a woman and having thoughts about her that you should not have. You get the death penalty for being proud, for drinking, for breaking any promise you've made, or any other sin or trifle.

Now, getting back to the laws of capital punishment which humans were to follow in putting others to death...as commanded by God....

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Green Cochoa] #157671
10/28/13 05:18 PM
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YOU separate civil law and God's law. Why?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #157672
10/28/13 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
YOU separate civil law and God's law. Why?

Because we were talking about two different things.

It is important to have sharpened powers of discrimination. For example, many people seem unable to distinguish between a prophet and a pastor, not realizing that one is ordained only by God (via the Holy Spirit) while the other God has entrusted to man (by the laying on of hands).

Similarly, men baptize with water, but God baptizes with the Holy Spirit.

Should we not distinguish between these things?

What was the difference between the sacred fire and the common...were they not both fire? both hot? both looked the same and smelled the same? ...but one was of God's own kindling, and it was never to be allowed to die out.

God gave the civil laws. He gave men the authority and command to do certain things to establish order in the earth. There are certain other judgments which He reserves to Himself.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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