|
Forums118
Topics9,199
Posts195,627
Members1,323
| |
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
|
|
|
S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
|
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
31
|
|
|
|
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
|
|
|
6 registered members (Karen Y, dedication, Nadi, 3 invisible),
3,419
guests, and 11
spiders. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes
[Re: APL]
#158164
11/10/13 05:56 PM
11/10/13 05:56 PM
|
SDA
Active Member 2014
Retired Pastor
3000+ Member
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,014
Iceland
|
|
Just now a storm is preventing us from joining in the 50th birthday celebration of a relative on the other side of a mountain. Whose fault is that?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
|
|
|
Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes
[Re: Johann]
#158165
11/10/13 06:07 PM
11/10/13 06:07 PM
|
SDA
Active Member 2014
Retired Pastor
3000+ Member
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,014
Iceland
|
|
Some people keep their god in a box and use him for their own occasions.
Other people believe in and worship the God of Heaven who has created everything that is good, and who governs every aspect in their lives.
Is it the god in the box, or the universal God who is presented in Scripture?
Last edited by Johann; 11/10/13 06:08 PM.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
|
|
|
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Mountain Man]
#158166
11/10/13 06:12 PM
11/10/13 06:12 PM
|
OP
SDA
Active Member 2020
5500+ Member
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,368
Western, USA
|
|
gc:This is your thread. You can talk about what you like. Shall I ask you what reason you have for changing topics of every thread to be about whether or not God punishes? Why is this virtually your only subject for discussion? Why do you not open your mind to other subjects? It's a big world out there. What do you see? Do you only see a horde of people believing differently than you do about whether or not God punishes, and this has become your only agenda, to change the world by spamming your ideas into every nook, cranny and corner that you can find?
You are making an assumption that is unfounded! YOU say I changed subjects. Did I? You said that weather events are a "sign of the times". I will post part of my reply again HERE. "The restraining Spirit of God is even now being withdrawn from the world. Hurricanes, storms, tempests, fire and flood, disasters by sea and land, follow each other in quick succession. Science seeks to explain all these. The signs thickening around us, telling of the near approach of the Son of God, are attributed to any other than the true cause. " Now - is this NOT talking about the signs of the times? How then do you claim I have changed topics?
gc:I wonder. I really wonder. You have yet to show me that you are balanced, my friend. You might really need to eat some eggs, you know. They'd do your mind some good.
Who here recently has had proven difficulty with their memory?
gc:To be sure, everything we talk about here at Maritime is related to the Great Controversy in one way or another. Why do we have separate topics? Did you ever think there were any legitimate topic here other than whether or not God punishes?
All life on this planet is influenced by one of two principles, Good or Evil. Commentating on a storm and the "true cause" is off limits to you?
gc:Your obsession is not my obsession. That is why I have chosen to talk about the weather in a separate line of thought, not to be permeated through and through and side-tracked by your pervasive pet topic. Did you notice that others who posted in the Extreme Weather thread posted about the weather and its effects, and did not need to speak of God punishing in the same thought? Are you able to comprehend the possibility of others seeing things in different ways than the ways in which you see them?
Because I see the world from a viewpoint of good and evil, means I am wrong, that is what you are saying. Perhaps you need to soften your heart some and see God "as he is". Do you have "Good News" to tell the world? Good news! Eat eggs. Good News! God will kill you is you don't love Him. Just News! A storm hit the Phillipians and we do understand the "true cause".
gc:The Extreme Weather thread was not created especially for you to inject your pet theories into. It was created for everyone who had an interest in the current events of what is happening in these storms. They are certainly signs of the times, for we are told to expect such things. Jesus said "there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." The typhoon is one example of this.
"Signs of the times"! This is what I was talking about, and you can't see it because your animosity towards those that challange your thinking. The Typhoon is indeed a "sign of the times". * * * HELLO GREEN * * * "The restraining Spirit of God is even now being withdrawn from the world. Hurricanes, storms, tempests, fire and flood, disasters by sea and land, follow each other in quick succession. Science seeks to explain all these. The signs thickening around us, telling of the near approach of the Son of God, are attributed to any other than the true cause. " Was this really off topic? I don't think so!
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
|
|
|
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Mountain Man]
#158167
11/10/13 06:17 PM
11/10/13 06:17 PM
|
OP
SDA
Active Member 2020
5500+ Member
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,368
Western, USA
|
|
Weather, a function of nature, is under the direct control of Jesus. Nature can do nothing in and of itself. It is not self-acting. There are times when Jesus employs nature as a weapon in His arsenal to punish sinners. And there are times when He commands holy angels to use nature to accomplish His purposes. Plus there are times when He permits evil angels to manipulate nature to wreak havoc within the limits He sets and enforces. Evil angels are not free to do as they please. They can only do what Jesus allows them to do. Jesus is the mastermind - not nature, not sin, not evil angels. One way or another Jesus will do whatever it takes to accomplish His plan. If evil angels were to refuse to act in accordance with His will, He would simply command holy angels to do it or do it Himself. Jesus is not dependent upon evil angels. Nor are evil angels independent of Jesus; that is, they are not free to do as they please. Jesus is in control - not nature, not sin, not evil angels. Nothing happens by fate or chance. Jesus regulates everything. Evil men and angels are free to make choices, but Jesus is free to manage the outcome of those choices so that they serve His grand plan. MM - Did God causes all the terrible weather events that hit Job?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
|
|
|
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: APL]
#158169
11/10/13 08:50 PM
11/10/13 08:50 PM
|
OP
SDA
Active Member 2020
5500+ Member
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,368
Western, USA
|
|
It is true that all suffering results from the transgression of God's law {DA 471.1} To say that God inflicts suffering, is to say that God transgresses His own law. God will not do that.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
|
|
|
Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes
[Re: Johann]
#158175
11/11/13 03:10 AM
11/11/13 03:10 AM
|
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019
20000+ Member
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: APL]
#158176
11/11/13 03:12 AM
11/11/13 03:12 AM
|
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019
20000+ Member
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
|
|
APL, your view of how Jesus punishes sinners represents only one of the ways and means He employs. He does not rely on evil angels to execute justice.
|
|
|
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Mountain Man]
#158177
11/11/13 03:23 AM
11/11/13 03:23 AM
|
OP
SDA
Active Member 2020
5500+ Member
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,368
Western, USA
|
|
APL, your view of how Jesus punishes sinners represents only one of the ways and means He employs. He does not rely on evil angels to execute justice. He can exercise justice in letting sin takes it natural course. Sin is THE cause of death.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
|
|
|
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Mountain Man]
#158189
11/11/13 04:27 PM
11/11/13 04:27 PM
|
SDA
Active Member 2024
5500+ Member
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,429
Midland
|
|
Weather, a function of nature, is under the direct control of Jesus. Nature can do nothing in and of itself. It is not self-acting. There are times when Jesus employs nature as a weapon in His arsenal to punish sinners. And there are times when He commands holy angels to use nature to accomplish His purposes. Plus there are times when He permits evil angels to manipulate nature to wreak havoc within the limits He sets and enforces. Evil angels are not free to do as they please. They can only do what Jesus allows them to do. Jesus is the mastermind - not nature, not sin, not evil angels. One way or another Jesus will do whatever it takes to accomplish His plan. If evil angels were to refuse to act in accordance with His will, He would simply command holy angels to do it or do it Himself. Jesus is not dependent upon evil angels. Nor are evil angels independent of Jesus; that is, they are not free to do as they please. Jesus is in control - not nature, not sin, not evil angels. Nothing happens by fate or chance. Jesus regulates everything. Evil men and angels are free to make choices, but Jesus is free to manage the outcome of those choices so that they serve His grand plan. You seem to be supporting and refuting your statements in the same paragraph. But not sure. It does seems very much supportive of: "Yes, Jesus causes disease, death, and destruction. He employed the forces of nature to cause the Great Deluge. Billions died." So why do you say things like: My heart is aching thinking and praying about this storm and the precious people in its path.
It looks as though the Philippines escaped the worst of it. Thank you, Jesus. I mean, Jesus caused it, right? If Jesus did this, and everything Jesus does is good and holy, why do you seem to be objecting to what He does? You should be rejoicing in 'seeing the mighty power of God', as it is expressed through His workings of nature "in His arsenal to punish sinners", right? If Jesus is directly causing it, who are you to question it? Or do you think He made a mistake in sending this storm? Or do you think He didn't cause it?
|
|
|
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: APL]
#158190
11/11/13 04:36 PM
11/11/13 04:36 PM
|
SDA
Active Member 2024
5500+ Member
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,429
Midland
|
|
Sin is THE cause of death. Hmmm.... APL: Sin is THE cause of death. MM: Jesus causes death. Possible conclusion: Jesus is sin! But if we reject the conclusion, then one of the statements must be wrong. How would one determine who is correct? How would one go about determining whether it's sin or Jesus who causes death?
|
|
|
|
|
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
|
|
|
