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Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? #158141
11/10/13 02:18 AM
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Are extreme weather events a sign of the times, a sign of end type events? Are they a sign of global warming? Are they a sign of God's displeasure? Are they a sign of Satanic activity? What?

Consider EGW:

The restraining Spirit of God is even now being withdrawn from the world. Hurricanes, storms, tempests, fire and flood, disasters by sea and land, follow each other in quick succession. Science seeks to explain all these. The signs thickening around us, telling of the near approach of the Son of God, are attributed to any other than the true cause. Men cannot discern the sentinel angels restraining the four winds that they shall not blow until the servants of God are sealed; but when God shall bid His angels loose the winds, there will be such a scene of strife as no pen can picture. {6T 408.1}

To those who are indifferent at this time Christ's warning is: "Because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of My mouth." Revelation 3:16. The figure of spewing out of His mouth means that He cannot offer up your prayers or your expressions of love to God. He cannot endorse your teaching of His word or your spiritual work in anywise. He cannot present your religious exercises with the request that grace be given you. {6T 408.2}

Could the curtain be rolled back, could you discern the purposes of God and the judgments that are about to fall upon a doomed world, could you see your own attitude, you would fear and tremble for your own souls and for the souls of your fellow men. Earnest prayers of heart-rending anguish would go up to heaven. You would weep between the porch and the altar, confessing your spiritual blindness and backsliding. {6T 408.3}

Last edited by Daryl; 11/10/13 03:30 AM. Reason: Changed Thread Title.

Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: APL] #158146
11/10/13 03:33 AM
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As there is an existing thread under the same thread title, I renamed this thread.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: Daryl] #158149
11/10/13 07:30 AM
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Are extreme weather events a sign of the times, a sign of end type events? Are they a sign of global warming? Are they a sign of God's displeasure? Are they a sign of Satanic activity? What?

Last edited by Green Cochoa; 11/10/13 12:59 PM. Reason: Changed topic title while moving from other thread where this was off-topic

Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: APL] #158151
11/10/13 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: news
TACLOBAN, Philippines (AP) — A provincial official says another 300 people have been confirmed dead on Samar ('sah-MAR) Island in the central Philippines in the onslaught of a super typhoon.

That's in addition to 10,000 people believed to have died in Tacloban city on Leyte Island, just across Samar.

Leo Dacaynos of Samar province's disaster office said Sunday that 300 people have been confirmed dead in Basey town and another 2,000 are missing.

He says the storm surge caused sea waters to rise 6 meters (20 feet) when Typhoon Haiyan hit Friday.

There are still other towns on Samar that have not been reached.

Who caused this storm? Freak of nature? God? Satan? Is God punishing? Is Satan causing this storm? Are we blind as to the real cause? EGW:The restraining Spirit of God is even now being withdrawn from the world. Hurricanes, storms, tempests, fire and flood, disasters by sea and land, follow each other in quick succession. Science seeks to explain all these. The signs thickening around us, telling of the near approach of the Son of God, are attributed to any other than the true cause. Men cannot discern the sentinel angels restraining the four winds that they shall not blow until the servants of God are sealed; but when God shall bid His angels loose the winds, there will be such a scene of strife as no pen can picture. {6T 408.1}

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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: APL] #158153
11/10/13 01:02 PM
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I moved the above posts from the Extreme Weather thread. That thread is not meant to be about APL's theology of God's punishment. It is about the weather. APL is free to discuss here his own take on said weather events.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: Green Cochoa] #158155
11/10/13 02:09 PM
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I was going to do the same thing myself, but you beat me to it.
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
I moved the above posts from the Extreme Weather thread. That thread is not meant to be about APL's theology of God's punishment. It is about the weather. APL is free to discuss here his own take on said weather events.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: Green Cochoa] #158158
11/10/13 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
I moved the above posts from the Extreme Weather thread. That thread is not meant to be about APL's theology of God's punishment. It is about the weather. APL is free to discuss here his own take on said weather events.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Green - HOW is weather a sign of the times. You want to separate weather from the Great Controversy. Why? I don't expect you to answer. You are the moderator of both of these threads, what difference does it make which thread I post in?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: APL] #158159
11/10/13 03:30 PM
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APL,

This is your thread. You can talk about what you like. Shall I ask you what reason you have for changing topics of every thread to be about whether or not God punishes? Why is this virtually your only subject for discussion? Why do you not open your mind to other subjects? It's a big world out there. What do you see? Do you only see a horde of people believing differently than you do about whether or not God punishes, and this has become your only agenda, to change the world by spamming your ideas into every nook, cranny and corner that you can find?

I wonder. I really wonder. You have yet to show me that you are balanced, my friend. You might really need to eat some eggs, you know. They'd do your mind some good. smile

To be sure, everything we talk about here at Maritime is related to the Great Controversy in one way or another. Why do we have separate topics? Did you ever think there were any legitimate topic here other than whether or not God punishes?

Your obsession is not my obsession. That is why I have chosen to talk about the weather in a separate line of thought, not to be permeated through and through and side-tracked by your pervasive pet topic. Did you notice that others who posted in the Extreme Weather thread posted about the weather and its effects, and did not need to speak of God punishing in the same thought? Are you able to comprehend the possibility of others seeing things in different ways than the ways in which you see them?

The Extreme Weather thread was not created especially for you to inject your pet theories into. It was created for everyone who had an interest in the current events of what is happening in these storms. They are certainly signs of the times, for we are told to expect such things. Jesus said "there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." The typhoon is one example of this.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ? [Re: Green Cochoa] #158160
11/10/13 03:51 PM
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Weather, a function of nature, is under the direct control of Jesus. Nature can do nothing in and of itself. It is not self-acting. There are times when Jesus employs nature as a weapon in His arsenal to punish sinners. And there are times when He commands holy angels to use nature to accomplish His purposes. Plus there are times when He permits evil angels to manipulate nature to wreak havoc within the limits He sets and enforces. Evil angels are not free to do as they please. They can only do what Jesus allows them to do. Jesus is the mastermind - not nature, not sin, not evil angels. One way or another Jesus will do whatever it takes to accomplish His plan. If evil angels were to refuse to act in accordance with His will, He would simply command holy angels to do it or do it Himself. Jesus is not dependent upon evil angels. Nor are evil angels independent of Jesus; that is, they are not free to do as they please. Jesus is in control - not nature, not sin, not evil angels. Nothing happens by fate or chance. Jesus regulates everything. Evil men and angels are free to make choices, but Jesus is free to manage the outcome of those choices so that they serve His grand plan.

Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Mountain Man] #158163
11/10/13 05:34 PM
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MM - God's wrath - Paragraph 3 of your quote unlocks the rest.


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