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Re: Your health is under attack! [Re: gordonb1] #119924
09/29/09 03:39 PM
09/29/09 03:39 PM
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The following shows Mrs. White's stance on vaccines. My apologies for the all-caps quote. The quote is not my own, and all-caps is the convention on the EGW CD to indicate editorial comments and not Mrs. White's own words.
Originally Posted By: Ellen White CD
Vaccination.--[VACCINATION FOR SMALLPOX: D. E. ROBINSON, ONE OF MRS. WHITE'S SECRETARIES, UNDER DATE OF JUNE 12, 1931, WROTE AS FOLLOWS CONCERNING MRS. WHITE'S ATTITUDE TOWARD VACCINATION:
"YOU ASK FOR DEFINITE AND CONCISE INFORMATION REGARDING WHAT SISTER WHITE WROTE ABOUT VACCINATION AND SERUM.
"THIS QUESTION CAN BE ANSWERED VERY BRIEFLY FOR SO FAR AS WE HAVE ANY RECORD, SHE DID NOT REFER TO THEM IN ANY OF HER WRITINGS.
"YOU WILL BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, HOWEVER, THAT AT A TIME WHEN THERE WAS AN EPIDEMIC OF SMALLPOX IN THE VICINITY, SHE HERSELF WAS VACCINATED AND URGED HER HELPERS, THOSE CONNECTED WITH HER, TO BE VACCINATED. IN TAKING THIS STEP SISTER WHITE RECOGNIZED THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT VACCINATION EITHER RENDERS ONE IMMUNE FROM SMALLPOX OR GREATLY LIGHTENS ITS EFFECTS IF ONE DOES COME DOWN WITH IT. SHE ALSO RECOGNIZED THE DANGER OF THEIR EXPOSING OTHERS IF THEY FAILED TO TAKE THIS PRECAUTION.
"[SIGNED] D. E. ROBINSON."] {2SM 303.3}


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Your health is under attack! [Re: gordonb1] #119931
09/29/09 04:55 PM
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There is an interesting article in this months "Scientific American" relating to vaccines. Im sure your local library carries the magazine.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=boosting-vaccine-power

Last edited by västergötland; 09/29/09 05:01 PM. Reason: added link

Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Your health is under attack! [Re: Green Cochoa] #119932
09/29/09 04:59 PM
09/29/09 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
The following shows Mrs. White's stance on vaccines. My apologies for the all-caps quote. The quote is not my own, and all-caps is the convention on the EGW CD to indicate editorial comments and not Mrs. White's own words.
Originally Posted By: Ellen White CD
Vaccination.--[VACCINATION FOR SMALLPOX: D. E. ROBINSON, ONE OF MRS. WHITE'S SECRETARIES, UNDER DATE OF JUNE 12, 1931, WROTE AS FOLLOWS CONCERNING MRS. WHITE'S ATTITUDE TOWARD VACCINATION:
"YOU ASK FOR DEFINITE AND CONCISE INFORMATION REGARDING WHAT SISTER WHITE WROTE ABOUT VACCINATION AND SERUM.
"THIS QUESTION CAN BE ANSWERED VERY BRIEFLY FOR SO FAR AS WE HAVE ANY RECORD, SHE DID NOT REFER TO THEM IN ANY OF HER WRITINGS.
"YOU WILL BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, HOWEVER, THAT AT A TIME WHEN THERE WAS AN EPIDEMIC OF SMALLPOX IN THE VICINITY, SHE HERSELF WAS VACCINATED AND URGED HER HELPERS, THOSE CONNECTED WITH HER, TO BE VACCINATED. IN TAKING THIS STEP SISTER WHITE RECOGNIZED THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT VACCINATION EITHER RENDERS ONE IMMUNE FROM SMALLPOX OR GREATLY LIGHTENS ITS EFFECTS IF ONE DOES COME DOWN WITH IT. SHE ALSO RECOGNIZED THE DANGER OF THEIR EXPOSING OTHERS IF THEY FAILED TO TAKE THIS PRECAUTION.
"[SIGNED] D. E. ROBINSON."] {2SM 303.3}


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
As usual Ellen proved to be more pragmatic than some of her followers..


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Your health is under attack! [Re: Green Cochoa] #119933
09/29/09 05:09 PM
09/29/09 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Yes I read most of the material on the link you had posted earlier, and, finding it to be rather sensational in nature, went online for some additional research. It appears you prefer the exaggerative article you originally posted.
How so? Is Time and the other references not reliable? I asked for help in critical thinking on the matter. What do you see wrong with what they have listed?

Quote:

I found medical definitions online, however, which indicate that "aseptic meningitis" is simply an inflammation which can be caused by a number of things; viruses and bacteria included. People generally experience full recovery within one or two weeks. Polio, on the other hand, is not caused by bacteria, and not by just any virus either. It is a specific virus, with specific symptoms...and the effects can last a lifetime.
I'm still not sure you understood the article. Ignoring that, would you suggest according to the direct correlations that the polio vaccine caused "aseptic meningitis"?

Quote:
Let us suppose for a moment, however, that you are right and I am wrong. The polio vaccine has still managed to wipe out the paralytic form of polio, has it not?
No, it has not. Guess I must have read something different at the link.

Quote:
The paralytic form was extremely disabling to people, including causing death from the paralysis.
Yes, it was bad. There was a higher rate of paralysis in those taking the vaccine.

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And let's say you are correct to call vaccines drugs. Do you suppose that Mrs. White would have advocated death in place of the life-saving "drug" which would extend one's life (with ample quality I might add) for decades?
That is what is under discussion. There is no life-saving "drug" which would extend one's life. Not in polio vaccine nor according to Ellen White, anything else.

You call the link sensational, but sensational or not, is there something you wish to dispute in it. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you still think the vaccine helped anyone.

Re: Your health is under attack! [Re: kland] #158569
11/20/13 03:58 PM
11/20/13 03:58 PM
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And the flu-mongers are pressing forth their magic potions. Even "our" Adventist hospitals are pressuring / coercing / threatening their employees with dismissal if they don't drink the cool-aid. It's hard to believe health is what our hospitals are promoting. Take a look at the following snake-oil selling:

Adventist Health / Central Valley Network
Our program offers a wide array of vaccinations for workers in all sorts of occupational fields.
...
Our program can take cash or check from individuals, bill the company directly or bill an assortment of insurance providers that have agreed to pay for flu shots for their covered members.
http://www.adventisthealthcv.com/services_jobcareVaccinations.html

Glendale Adventist Medical Center
Our professional medical staff will come to your worksite and administer flu vaccinations to your employees and provide educational information on flu prevention.
http://www.glendaleadventist.com/flu-vaccinations

Adventist HealthCare
Annual flu vaccines are the best defense against the flu for children and adults.
http://www.adventisthealthcare.com/health/programs/flu/

Parker Adventist Hospital
Parker Adventist Hospital will provide low-cost flu vaccinations on Nov. 6 and 13 from 4-6 p.m. in the hospital’s main lobby. The cost is $25 but is covered by Medicare Part B (as primary insurance), UnitedHealthcare Medicare Advantage (formerly Secure Horizons), Aetna, Humana Gold, and Rocky Mountain Health Plan. You must show a valid insurance card. FluMist®, the nasal spray vaccine, is available for $30 for people ages 2-49 while supplies last.
http://www.parkerhospital.org/tab-2

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