APL and Kland, please explain 1) why Jesus commanded Moses to kill. When Moses was uncertain what to do with the Sabbath-breaker and the blasphemer he inquired of God. In response, Jesus, in no uncertain words, commanded him to stone them to death. 2) Why didn't Jesus use these opportunities to properly educate Moses? 3) Why didn't Jesus explain why killing them would be evil and wrong? Instead, Jesus commanded Moses to kill them. 4) Also, why didn't Moses protest? 5) Why didn't he plead their case (like he did when Jesus threatened to kill off all the Jews)?

PS - I would appreciate you addressing all 5 questions.

MM - - have you not read what has been posted? Why did God give the people rules for divorce? Why did not God give them explanations for this evil and wrong? Why did not God properly educate the people? Why did not Moses protest? Certainly divorce is much easier problem to deal with than killing or Sabbath breaking, no? And no, this is not apples and oranges.

APL,

I let the other thread go a little longer before deciding there was sufficient evidence of your abilities to follow the topic. I am now transferring much of that thread to this one, which has lain fallow for over a week as you have side-tracked the thread I began about the weather with such things as discussions of the "Sabbath-breaker", etc.

From now on, please post on topic in that thread, if you post there at all. Thank you. I'll give it a rest for awhile to ensure that it doesn't collect more off-topic posts in the interim.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Thanks green!

You're welcome. Apparently, divorce and Sabbath-breaking are related to extreme weather.

To some, at least, "this is not apples and oranges."

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Yes - just responding to a direct question. Of course, you have you not answered the question of how is the weather a "sign of the times". But perhaps you have, and having fractured threads do make it hard to follow sometimes...

I think I did answer it already, and even if I didn't, any good Adventist knows the answer. There should be no need to ask.

Have you read Matthew 24 lately?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green - you are right! Adventists should know! What is interesting is that when Adventists bring weather into context, other Adventists say that it is off topic. Our whole existence is in the context of the great controversy. Therefore, God's law is front and center. Event the Sabbath!

Yes, I have read your posts. I would appreciate it if you would answer my questions. I don't trust myself to figure out your answers to my questions based on my answers to your questions.

PS - Please understand that my questions have to do with Moses - not the Jews in general.

You can't separate the two. Moses was the leader, the mediator. Again, look at divorce! Did God command the people directly or did He give His command to Moses? To Moses. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 19:3-12. Compare the two statements on divorce. With Moses, giving a bill of divorce for whatever reason, the woman was free to marry again. This it not so with Jesus's command. The whole time the people were in rebellion. I think Moses understood God quite well. The people went into rebellion right at Sinai.

Exodus 20:18-21 AKJV
18 And all the people saw the thunder, and the lightning, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19 And they said to Moses, Speak you with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
20 And Moses said to the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that you sin not.
21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near to the thick darkness where God was.

As Blanco say it, Exodus 20:20 TCW Moses said, “Don’t be afraid. God has spoken to you to make you afraid of sin, not of Him. These commandments are like ten promises to you.”

But the people were afraid of God. They did not trust God. They shortly there after had the Golden Calf fiasco. Moses is not the one God is directing His commands, it was to the people.