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Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: His child] #175183
07/10/15 02:51 PM
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Why are you answering questions not asked?

Again, how do you change "falling from heaven" to being shot down?

Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: kland] #175379
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Originally Posted By: kland
Why are you answering questions not asked?

Again, how do you change "falling from heaven" to being shot down?


You are using the term falling from heaven. What does the Bible say?

The symbolism appears to indicate that the star prophesied to be cast down from heaven will be fulfilled by the ISS perhaps in conjunction with its interaction with the Cygnus space craft. So I watch and wonder.

When it happens (however it will happen), we will understand Daniel and Revelation by their fulfillment.

This is the 9/26/13 study that I did on this topic:

Cygnus—Bible Prophecy Fulfilled?

“The second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood” (Revelation 8:8).

An angel is a messenger. This angel messenger sounds when it blows the second trumpet. In Ezekiel 33:4-5, trumpets warn the people of impending danger. When this messenger sounds its warning, a great mountain burning with fire is cast into the sea. Strong defines great: prepared on a grand scale. Mountain from an obsolete root (oro) means: to rise up or rear as a mountain rises to its peak and goes down on the other side. The gist of the symbolism may be: to go up and come down. And oro can be further traced to a root meaning a fowl. Burning with fire tells how the grand mountain falls in a brilliant blaze. The blood would be literal if fossil fuel is from the mass graves of men and animals as coal is from ancient forests. The BP oil blow-out in the Gulf of Mexico actually looked like the blood of dead men floating on the sea.

“Daniel and the Revelation…the prophecies, so far as they had been fulfilled, had been fulfilled literally; that all the various figures, metaphors, parables, similitudes, etc., were either explained in their immediate connection, or the terms in which they were expressed were defined in other scriptures; and when thus explained were to be literally understood” (GC88 320.2). “The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which every one should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves” (7BC 949.6).

Are God’s Remnant People really supposed to understand Daniel and Revelation as they literally explain themselves by their fulfillment in these last days? Is that an over simplification?

Before there was a Seventh-day Adventist, Adventists discovered that Jesus was coming in 1844. These early Adventist diligently searched for historical evidence to confirm the prophecies that were to be fulfilled prior to Christ’s Advent. But since Jesus did not come, is the pre-1844 prophetic fulfillment of Revelation the final fulfillment, or is there a symbolic mountain poised above earth that is literally going to plunge into the sea?

Both the Cygnus (swan) that is the first craft in a $1.9 billion series and the International Space Station (it is as big as a football stadium) have been prepared on a grand scale and have been sent up, but have yet to come down according to the terms in the prophecy. Is it a coincidence that the word study of mountain in Revelation 8:8 suggests that it is derived from a root that means going up and coming down, and the cargo transport, Cygnus (from the Greek for swan that is currently in orbit preparing to dock with the ISS), is named after a fowl.

Because of the Cygnus, is the ISS to fall as a blazing burning fire into the sea and cause a massive oil spill disaster? Would that be the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 that the world would understand, or fanciful speculation from unsound Bible study?

Since Revelation 8:8 has been declared fulfilled by the Adventists pioneers, who were expecting Christ’s Second Advent in 1844, should it be assumed that Revelation’s prophecies have been fulfilled and that is the end of the matter? Or should it be understood that the angel’s command to John, “Thou must prophesy again” (10:11), means that Revelation’s prophecies will have a final fulfillment? If Revelation is to prophesy again, Revelation will be fulfilled again!

But the teaching that Revelation’s prophecies repeats is problematic to a class of Seventh-day Adventists that assumes that Daniel and Revelation’s prophecies do not repeat. They hold a one-track prophecy view that is widely accepted and taught within the Church. It hampers a more in-depth study of the Scriptures. It promotes the notion: “The Scriptures have
been fulfilled, go with the historical view and look no further.” And there is another class of Seventh-day Adventists that are afraid to say anything about the pending fulfillment of Bible prophecy. They fear that getting something wrong will bring embarrassment upon the Church.

The Adventist pioneers that banded together to form the SDA Church struggled with similar divisions. When Christ did not come in 1844, some Adventists turned to their Bibles to discover the Sanctuary Doctrine, a pillar of our faith. Other Adventists fell by the wayside when they recalculated the date of Christ’s Advent or failed to see the light when more light shone upon God’s word. But prior to 1844, the Adventists that believed the nearness of Christ’s Second Advent boldly proclaimed it without the fear of embarrassment that is paralyzing our generation.

As the Cygnus prepares to dock with the International Space Station 9/28/13, it could be dogmatically and foolishly stated that this is the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 in the making. But after the docking when whatever will happen has happened, it could be seen that it was not Bible prophecy fulfilled. On the other hand, it could be argued that Revelation 8:8 has been fulfilled in the past and there is no reason to wonder if Cygnus is going to cause the demise of the ISS. That dogmatic view is equally foolish for a people that are watching and waiting to see Daniel and Revelation explain themselves by their fulfillment in these last days.

From the Spirit of Prophecy counsel, it is not wise to speculate about what will be before it happens. It is wise to understand Revelation’s prophecy when it is fulfilled in these last days. Those who are waiting and watching for Jesus to come must have an eye on the Scriptures. God’s Remnant People must also watch current events through the lens of Bible prophecy. It is not safe to allow the fear of embarrassment to stifle the proclamation of those things that are to precede Christ’s Coming. Being too cautious is no different than being wrong.

If the proper balance between prophecy and history is not understood, extremism will hinder God’s work. It is essential to seek and have the Holy Spirit’s indwelling and illumination
to guide us into a proper understanding of Bible prophecy. Yet not everyone will seek or receive guidance of the Holy Spirit as the parable of the ten virgins warns. The Church will be shaken. It happened after the Adventist pioneers’ misunderstood Christ’s activities in 1844. Many were
shaken out when light moved to greater light. God’s Remnant People will be shaken again before Christ Comes. The sheep will be divided from the goats.

Our faith is not dependent on Cygnus fulfilling Revelation 8:8 on its maiden voyage, or even on a later mission. God’s word will be fulfilled as He ordained it whether we understand it
or not. Faith is dependent on the Holy Spirit abiding in the heart, and He knows all the prophetic particulars. God’s word will accomplish that which He has ordained. When God’s Remnant
People are filled with His Spirit, they will declare the right message for the hour with boldness. And they will pray for the people who are in darkness that they may live to see the light.

Last edited by His child; 07/16/15 05:15 AM.

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Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: His child] #175404
07/16/15 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Why are you answering questions not asked?

Again, how do you change "falling from heaven" to being shot down?


You are using the term falling from heaven. What does the Bible say?
...
“The second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood” (Revelation 8:8).
Ok, my mistake. I mixed it with someone referring to Revelation 12.

But that was just a distraction. Whether "fall" or "cast", neither one requires "shoot".


Again, how do you change {the verse} to being, "shot down"?

Why do I have to keep asking and you respond to everything I didn't ask, but what I ask?

Me thinks you don't know, you don't have a reason, but it would be dramatic. Or you have already written that it would be "shot down" in a book and therefore you have to go with it....

Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: kland] #175465
07/19/15 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Why are you answering questions not asked?

Again, how do you change "falling from heaven" to being shot down?


You are using the term falling from heaven. What does the Bible say?
...
“The second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood” (Revelation 8:8).
Ok, my mistake. I mixed it with someone referring to Revelation 12.

But that was just a distraction. Whether "fall" or "cast", neither one requires "shoot".


Again, how do you change {the verse} to being, "shot down"?

Why do I have to keep asking and you respond to everything I didn't ask, but what I ask?

Me thinks you don't know, you don't have a reason, but it would be dramatic. Or you have already written that it would be "shot down" in a book and therefore you have to go with it....



That is the miracle of miscommunication.

Rev 8:8 AndG2532 theG3588 secondG1208 angelG32 sounded,G4537 andG2532 as it wereG5613 a greatG3173 mountainG3735 burningG2545 with fireG4442 was castG906 intoG1519 theG3588 sea:G2281 andG2532 theG3588 third partG5154 of theG3588 seaG2281 becameG1096 blood;G129

cast G906

A primary verb; to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense): - arise, cast (out), X dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust.

In our terminology, we would likely say "shoot down" if Cygnus were to malfunction in route to the ISS and cause it to plummet from orbit.

Thanks for asking.


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Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: His child] #175556
07/22/15 07:46 PM
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Why "shoot down"? Why not "throw down"? You have shown no evidence nor requirement for "shooting" anything.

cast G906

A primary verb; to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense): - arise, cast (out), X dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust.

Using your pick and choose (though no picking and choosing comes up with "shoot"), this can be none other than the volcano which was thrust up, arose, and sent out and poured out it's content into the sea mentioned some time ago. Last year, I believe.

Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: His child] #187235
08/12/18 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
A star will fall from heaven.

The ISS is as big as football fields. It would sure look like a star when and if it should take an unscheduled fall through our atmosphere.


The ISS is still floating above the earth. It did not get shot down by mistake when new technology flew cargo to it. But now the earth is experiencing a meteor shower with 50-100/hour. The ISS may not be out of the woods.


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Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: His child] #187238
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It is interesting that the ISS escaped being hit by them in the previous years of those same type of meteor showers.


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Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: Daryl] #187239
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
It is interesting that the ISS escaped being hit by them in the previous years of those same type of meteor showers.
Or the THOUSANDS of other satellites in orbit. Amazing, right? Not really....


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Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: APL] #187244
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It is interesting that the ISS escaped being hit by them in the previous years of those same type of meteor showers.
Or the THOUSANDS of other satellites in orbit. Amazing, right? Not really....


"The International Space Station (ISS) is currently 240 ft / 73 m (length) by 356 ft (108.5 m) wide." When it falls, it will burn in the atmosphere surpassing any satellite that may be the size of a small car or huge School bus.


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Re: Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station? [Re: His child] #187245
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: Daryl
It is interesting that the ISS escaped being hit by them in the previous years of those same type of meteor showers.
Or the THOUSANDS of other satellites in orbit. Amazing, right? Not really....


"The International Space Station (ISS) is currently 240 ft / 73 m (length) by 356 ft (108.5 m) wide." When it falls, it will burn in the atmosphere surpassing any satellite that may be the size of a small car or huge School bus.
The ISS weights 450 tons. Peanuts compared to the Chelyabinsk meteor of 2013 estimated to be 13-14000 tons.


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