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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197403
02/10/24 10:10 AM
02/10/24 10:10 AM
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Scary to realize that. As long as I stay on my knees seeking the Lord knowing how easy it is to fall! Plenty of bible verses to remind us of that.

Revelation mentions and remind us that 1/3 of death of humanity occurs in the warning of the seven trumpets:

"The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up" (Rev. 8:7). Trees and grass represent people.

"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed" (Rev. 8:8-9). The immensity of the speed of sea pollution brings destruction to human lives these last days.

"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." (Rev. 8:10-11). The pollution of drinking water in the world is also serious and deadly these last days.

"And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise" (Rev. 8:12). This warning mentions of the current issue of climate changes. The sun, moon and stars darkened indicate that the light source showing signs and season of the time. See Gen. 1:14.

The seven trumpets message is clearly telling us the close of probation is imminent. We shall see destruction and death everywhere. There are 117 million displaced people in the world and 70 million refugees according to the statistic of 2 years ago . US only received only 3 million refugees in the past 20 years.

People are suffering and need of the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ in the prophetic words of Revelation.

Isa. 26:20 "Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast." Many of God's children shall be put to sleep before the great tribulation such as never was since a nation was. 144,000 shall be faithful until the end in proclaiming that only God is worthy to be praise above all and Jesus is our Savior!

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Daryl] #197450
02/19/24 12:37 PM
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Two distinct groups of saints will be received by Jesus when He comes the second time: One who resurrects by the sound of the silver trumpet and 144,000 who are alive and harvested by the sickle.

1 Cor. 15:51-52 " Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Rev. 14:14 "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle."

Those who tasted death and who never tasted death are two different groups. The great multitudes are numberless and are composed of all the resurrected saints throughout the ages. These saints do not have harps but palm branches to sing praises unto God and the Lamb.

144,000 is the number that John heard, "I heard the number of them" (Rev. 7:4). There is no indication that the number 144,000 is symbolic but literal. These saints learned to play harps, unlike the palm branch holders, the great multitudes.

Rev. 14:1-3 "nd I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth."

Rev. 15:2-3 "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints."

Isa. 55:8-9 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Solomon's temple had 4000 instrumentalists who played music. 1Chron. 23:5 "Moreover four thousand were porters; and four thousand praised the Lord with the instruments which I made, said David, to praise therewith."

The great multitudes will have their kingdoms in the twelve thrones of the universe. Matt. 19:28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

One hundred forty-four thousand will dwell in the temple of God and serve Him day and night in the New Jerusalem. Rev. 7:15 "Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197540
03/26/24 12:29 PM
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Isa. 34:16 "Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read:
no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate:
for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them."

The four angels of Rev. Ch. 7:1-3 are the same angels who obey God's command to release their hold in Ch. 9:13.

Rev. 7:1-3 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

Rev. 9:14 "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels ..."

The Book of Revelation is a book of contrasts, in which we can find "her mate" and "no one of these shall fail."

"Hold" the four winds and "loose" the four angels demonstrate that its association to show a bigger picture. God commanded the four angels
to hold the winds until the sealing work progressed. When the sealing work of God is complete, the four angels have to lose their hold of the winds.

The wind represents evil according to Jer. 25:32 "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth." v. 33 and 37 uphold it as the plagues of the fierce anger of the LORD.

One out of the seven trumpets announces the seven plagues are falling. In the truest sense, all of the other trumpets also announce the reality of the seven plagues falling upon the inhabitants of the earth.

Jeremiah spoke again in Jer. 49:37, saying evil is the plague:
"For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the Lord; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them."

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197541
03/27/24 09:35 AM
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The sixth trumpet spoke as the plague in verse 20 of Ch. 9: "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues..."

These plagues are specified as 1) fire and 2) smoke and 3) brimstone in verse 17.
The punishment of fire and smoke and brimstone aims at the three entities, which directed to 1) the dragon, and 2) the beast, and 3) the false prophets in the sixth plague. So obvious the sixth trumpet is the warning of the sixth plague!

1) Fire => the dragon, which represents paganism.
2) Smoke => the beast, which represents Catholic.
3) Brimstone => the false prophet, which represents apostate Christianity.

When the work of the sealing of God finishes, the holding of the four angels is to be released on the God's command. Rev. 9:14 "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels ..."

The sixth plague and the sixth trumpet parallel with a key word of "in the great river Euphrates." It's a hint to pair up of the two together to see a big picture.

Rev. 16:12 "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."

Rev. 9:14 "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."

The river Euphrates has a connotation of end boundary. See Gen. 15:18 "In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates."

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197554
03/31/24 06:44 PM
03/31/24 06:44 PM
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The Seven Trumpets announce the judgment of the Seven Plagues, which will be unlike anything humanity has ever experienced or will be. God will not pour out a terrible, intense wrath of God without warning upon the impenitent world.

Hebrew sanctuary had the trumpet feast, which lasted longer than any other feast in Israel for the warning the Day of Atonement was approaching; the feast of the Tabernacle lasts eight days, the feast of unleavened bread for seven days, and the feast of the Trumpet for nine days.

John received the visions in AD 95-96. The seven trumpet messages parallel the type of trumpet feast, the chief end of which is to warn of God's execution judgment in the seven plagues.

John saw that the seven angels had the vials of the seven plagues at the time of his vision, and we find God, accordingly, incidentally gave a warning to escape the punishment in the Seven Trumpets. How long will people cherish their unbiblical ideas and feel safe following famous scholars? The Seven Trumpet message is undoubtedly the warning of the Seven Plagues!

The interlude between the seven churches and the seven seals emphasizes releasing the judgment from the throne room, culminating in the final sealing. Another interlude occurs between the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Plagues, which unmasks Satan's identity in chapters twelve through fourteen before the Seven Plagues pour out.

Some scholars consider the Seven Trumpets' background historical rather than a sanctuary. To fit their claim, they say the Seven Trumpets are historical events that unfolded over the last two thousand years. There is no application of sanctuary background whatsoever in their interpretation.

A blind leading a blind will undoubtedly fall into a ditch. Let us not be influenced by the false teachings any longer. It is so dangerous to ignore God's merciful warnings.

The Sixth Trumpet says that a command came out of the four horns, which denotes the sanctuary background, to release the four angels holding the four winds.

Rev. 9:14 "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels ..."

Rev. 9:15 "And the four angels were loosed"

What would happen if the four angels in Chapter 7 released their hold because God finished the sealing work was accomplished? The following scenario should be unleashing the evil of the plagues. Rev. 9:15 mentions an instant event as the four angels lose their hold, "which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." The Seven Plagues will poured out at maximum level by this appointed time.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197613
04/25/24 09:37 AM
04/25/24 09:37 AM
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In the Seventh Plague, it says, "It is done." When Jesus declare "it is done", the kingdoms of this world exist no more because it will become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ.

Rev. 16:17 "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."

Rev. 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever".

The time is coming, and now it is. The activity of heaven will suddenly stop in the work of salvation for men because of unheeded warnings and unrepentant. Look at the seventh seal; heaven has ominous silence as though the ministering angels are in shock at the oblivious hearts of men toward the great salvation offered in Jesus Christ?another way to say that angels could not find any more repentant sinners whom they can minister to. The angels reflect on this and consider no plea to Jesus about leaving the heavenly sanctuary and announcing, "It is done."

Rev. 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

There was a week of heaven's silence when the door of Noah's Ark shut after eight people entered it. The half-hour of Rev. 8:1 is equivalent to this space period.

Even the seventh seal has a thematic connection to "It is done."

The lukewarm condition of the seventh church of Laodicean manifests symptoms that explain why a merciful grace period is no longer necessary and must end.

When we read in connection with each element of the seventh of the four pillars of Revelation, we can easily see a thematic link: the seventh plague => the seventh seal => the seventh church => the seventh trumpet.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197617
04/28/24 11:09 AM
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It is done => half an hour silence => neither cold or hot => the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ.

(7th Plague) => (7th Seal ) => (7the Church) => ( 7th Trumpet)

It is done => half an hour silence => neither cold or hot => the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ.

Isn't it so clear that this perspective speaks loudly by the Holy Spirit to the churches?

Satan's end game is Rev. 12:17. He always mixes the truth with error. The Seven Trumpets are not historical, and many of God's people still cherish erroneous interpretations. "Satan puts his interpretation upon events, and they think, as he would have them,..." MS 10:239

The background of the seven trumpets is not a mere historical event but a sanctuary- a place of divine judgment. Jesus will declare, "It is done" from the sanctuary in heaven, a moment that will mark the end of all things. A space of half an hour will exist for the angels to agree that there is no intention of the souls to repent any more, a chilling realization of the impenitent spirit that has long plagued the churches in the Laodicean condition.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197624
04/30/24 10:34 PM
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God reveals five weapons of armory by the ark of the covenant: lightning, voices, thunderings, earthquakes, and hail.

Rev. 11:19 'And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

God showed the five weapons by the ark of the covenant at the seventh trumpet as a divine threat to punish those who violate His law.

When Jesus declares, "It is done," the threat becomes a reality at the seventh plague according to Rev. 16:17-21.

"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

The Seventh Trumpet => five weapons of lightning, voices, thundering, earthquakes, and hail.

The Seventh Plague => voices, thunders, lightnings, great earthquake, and hail.

According to the divine threats, the seventh trumpet announced God's impending judgment, which the wicked ultimately realized through the seventh plague.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197641
05/06/24 12:18 PM
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The fifth plague is:

Rev. 16:10-11 "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."

"The beast, with its seven heads, continued to engage in blasphemy until its very end. When God released the final judgment upon the beast, its kingdom plunged into spiritual darkness to the highest level. Even though they were tormented, they refused to repent. Let us ponder why the fifth plague is aimed at the throne of the beast."

During the Medieval Age, many were unjustly persecuted for their faith and made martyrs. They cried, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" In the Book of Revelation, it is written that God will answer their cries in the end during the fifth plague, bringing about the justice and retribution they seek.

It is crucial to note that the fifth seal provides a more detailed explanation for why the fifth plague must fall on the throne of the beast.

The condition of the fifth church suggests that the reformers were prominent martyrs during the time of oppression by the beast power against the faithful.

Understanding the connection between the Seals and the churches in studying Revelation is crucial, as every part is intertwined. Can you see how the fifth seal relates to the fifth church?

The description of the fifth trumpet is more intricate and complex than other parts. However, if we can identify the beast affected by the fifth plague, it becomes clear that both refer to the same entity.

I will share what the fifth trumpet entailed next time. Please continue studying with me.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #197682
06/05/24 01:21 PM
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God warns those who would receive the mark of the beast that they shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, without mixture into the cup of indignation (Rev. 14:10).

Thank God for this clear forewarning so that no one receives the mark of the beast.

Let's ask a profound question: why is the fifth plague directed explicitly at the throne of the beast? The fifth plague reveals the answer: they refuse to repent.

The beast's power is the papacy, which instigated all the evils in the world. It is described as the angel of the bottomless pit (Rev. 9:11). The forces are listed with ten elements according to the fifth trumpet.

The shapes of the locusts, which are the angels of the bottomless pit, are described as follows:

1) They are like unto horses prepared unto battle;
2) Their heads have crowns like gold;
3) Their faces as the faces of man;
4) Their hair is as the hair of women;
5) Their teeth as the teeth of lions;
6) Their breastplates are as they were breastplates of iron;
7) Their sound of wings is as the sound of chariots;
8) Their tails are like scorpions;
9) They have stings in their tails;
10) Their power was to hurt men for five months.

The ferocious descriptions reveal their deeply determined nature. They will not repent, although they are tormented with pain. The fifth trumpet describes their ultimate experiences in the fifth plague: "as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man" (Rev. 9:5). Their pain will be so severe that they would want to die but "shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them" (Rev. 9:6).

The kingdom of the beast is shrouded in thick spiritual darkness, obscuring the sun and the air. What, then, does the smoke signify?

In Revelation 5:8, smoke symbolizes the prayers of saints. The entity with ten elements hinders the saints' prayers, causing their spiritual darkness. The Catholic Church has the sacrament of penance, which intercepts the prayers of the saints that should ascend to the throne of God through Our Intercessor. See Rev. 8:3-4.

The Sun of righteousness is Jesus, who will come in the air. Mal. 4:2 "
But unto you that fear my name shall the?Sun?of?righteousness?arise with healing in his wings."

Concisely, we can conclude that a star falling from heaven to the earth symbolizes the Catholic Church, which represents the angel of the bottomless pit that leads the world into destruction. Scripture names the destructive angels Abaddon and Apollyon.

God assures us of protection from the influence and control of Popery if we are willing to be sealed by God. According to Revelation 9:4, "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

In studying the fifth trumpet connected with the fifth seal and church, I have come to understand that God warned about the fifth plague.

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