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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168443
09/26/14 10:10 AM
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Dear Maritime friends,

I have come to understand much more on the subject of the seven trumpets in the book of Revelation since the last time I have posted.

The warning of the three Woes must be understood by God’s people because the deceptions are so great and the time of trouble is so imminent such as never was since there was a nation. Would you want to be sheltered by the living God? Then we must be attentive to His instructions. The Lord wants to deliver us from all kinds of the demoniac delusions and deceptions that are going on right now.

The three woes are emerged upon ‘the inhabiters of the earth’, not merely some of the inhabiters like some think. The warnings are given for a global impact as portrayed in Rev 12:12, “…Woe to the inhabiters of the earth…for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”

In Chap. 12 of Revelation, the woman were given two wings of a great eagle so she should be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. The same serpent of old, the Devil, is attempting a final deception to the remnant of God in the woes of the Chap. 9. No wonder that a flying eagle (Rev 8:13) appears again in the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voices of the trumpet with urgency, “woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth”.

Deut. 32:11,12 “As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings: So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.”

Deut. 32:10 “He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.”

The great dragon, which was cast out into the earth, is the star that fell, with the third part of the stars of heaven (Rev Chap 12). He is the angel of the bottomless pit. His name is Abaddon, and Apollyon (Rev 9:11). This star that fell from heaven (Chap.9:1 …”I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth…”) and his evil angels are engaged to cast delusions upon the ‘inhabiters of the earth’ in the first woe. The Devil has the key of the bottomless pit. The key portrays a teaching, which the beast that came out of the bottomless pit (Rev17:8) carries the task of the false teachings.
Another beast that came out of the earth (Rev 13:11) is also deceiving the dwellers on the earth (Rev 13:14). Watch, what is coming out of the earth and the bottomless pit! The dragon gave the beast his power, and his seat, and great authority (Rev 13:2). The sun and the air were darkened by the reason of the smoke that came out of the bottomless pit (Rev 9:2), the beast (Rev 17:8). The system of the beast caused an enormous torment of scorpion (Rev 9:5) by the reason of the smoke. The smoke denotes ‘the prayers of saints’ (Rev 5:8). The beast snatched the prayers of people, which should only ascend up to the throne of God (Rev 8:4) in order to receive answers. No wonder, unanswered prayers caused the torments like death. Nothing is like a spiritual torment so they seek death but death shall flee from them (Rev 9:6). However, the saints who have the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev 9:4) shall not be hurt by the scorpion torments.

It seems to me that the three woes are talking about the warning about the things that are happening just before the close of the probation. We must be vigilant and understand clearly the plan of God.

Blessings,

Karen

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168457
09/27/14 01:18 AM
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3 woes.
3 angels' messages.
3 unclean spirits like frogs.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Mountain Man] #168492
09/28/14 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
3 woes.
3 angels' messages.
3 unclean spirits like frogs.


The three unclean spirits will receive plagues by the three things; the fire, the smoke, and the brimstone(Rev 9:17). The sixth trumpet announced "these plagues"(Rev 9:18) will kill the third part of men. The warnings of the three woes are very spiritual. By the three angel's messages the world should hear the last final call of the Lord.
Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets".
The Seven Trumpets portay warnings of the coming Seven Plagues. Each of the plagues correlate with the each of the seven trumpets. Read the plague first, then read the trumpet.

sixth plague: upon the Euphrates/three unclean spirits
sixth trumpet: in the Euphrates/three plagues of fire, smoke and brimstone

fifth plague: upon the seat of the beast/full of darkness
fifth trumpet: fallen star has the key of the bottomless pit (where the beast comes out Rev 11:7, 17:8)/ darkened by the reason of the smoke of the pit

seventh plague:It is done
seventh trumpet:the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord

fourth plague: sun scorching hot(global warming)
fourth trumpet: sun, moon, stars darkened(signs of heavenly bodies)

third plague:the rivers and fountains of waters became blood(becomes deadly)
third trumpet:the rivers and fountains of waters became wormwood/many men dies

second plague:upon the sea/every living soul died(deadly pollutions of the sea)
second trumpet:the sea became blood

first plague:fell upon the earth/noisome and grievous sore who has the mark of the beast
first trumpet:upon the earth/hail and fire mingled with blood(deadly sickness)/trees and green grass(depict men)-shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God…without mixture(Rev 14:10)

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168502
09/29/14 12:43 AM
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I'm thinking the plagues/trumpets will be caused by an asteroid impacting the Pacific Ocean.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168577
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Ezekiel 5:12 "A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence,
and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee:
and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee;…."

Rev 8:7 The first trumpet indicates that many men will die of diseases. "…trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up"

Rev 8:8 The second trumpet indicates one third will die.

Rev 8:10 The thrid trumpet indicates another one third will die.

Rev 8:12 The fourth trumpet indicates there is no death but the heavenly bodies show the signs of the time (Global warming).

Rev 9:11 The fifth trumpet indicates there is a great sufferings(torments) but death.
"in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

Rev 9:13-21 The sixth trumpet indicates the rest of men will be killed by the plagues except the most wicked.

Rev 11:15 The seventh trumpet says the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord. It is all done!

The seven trumpets are the sounding of the warnings of the coming plagues. The fury of the LORD! I praise God that there still is the mercy of the LORD to repent at this time!

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168578
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"And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth". The close of probation? Then follows the trumpets?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168588
10/02/14 08:10 PM
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What we need to understand is that each of the seven churches, the seven seals, the seven trumpets and the seven plagues have introductory visions which inclusive to the whole thing.

Rev Chap. one introduces the seven churches in Chap 2-3.
Rev Chap. 4 - 5 of the throne room introduce the seven seals in Chap 6 to 8:1.
Rev Chap. 8:2-5 of the ministration of the Christ introduce the seven trumpets in Chap 8:6 to Chap 11.
Rev Chap. 15 of the song of Moses introduces the seven plagues in Chap 16.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168590
10/03/14 01:51 AM
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The warnings of the Seven Trumpets must be blown before the close of the probation. The evidence of the introduction of the seven trumpets portrays the ministry of the intercession of Jesus Christ which endorses the understanding.
Remember that the Seventh Seal is not yet opened. The Seven Trumpets are within the seventh seal as well as the Seven Plagues.
The four angels are not released in Chap 7:1. They are still holding until the command comes out from the temple of God to release the hold. Rev 9:14 "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels…" The probation will be closed then.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168591
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Sixth Seal = Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Seventh Seal = There was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Before His presence "all faces are turned into paleness;" upon the rejecters of God's mercy falls the terror of eternal despair. "The heart melteth, and the knees smite together, . . . and the faces of them all gather blackness." Jeremiah 30:6; Nahum 2:10. The righteous cry with trembling: "Who shall be able to stand?" The angels' song is hushed, and there is a period of awful silence. Then the voice of Jesus is heard, saying: "My grace is sufficient for you." The faces of the righteous are lighted up, and joy fills every heart. And the angels strike a note higher and sing again as they draw still nearer to the earth. {GC 641.1}

Does the passage above describe the sixth and the seventh seals?

6) "Who shall be able to stand?"
7) A period of awful silence.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Mountain Man] #168592
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
"And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth". The close of probation? Then follows the trumpets?

I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer's inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, "It is done." And all the angelic host laid off their crowns as Jesus made the solemn declaration, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." {EW 279.2}

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