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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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"But wherever men came before God while willfully cherishing evil, they were destroyed. At the second advent of Christ the wicked shall be consumed "with the Spirit of His mouth," and destroyed "with the brightness of His coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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"But wherever men came before God while willfully cherishing evil, they were destroyed. At the second advent of Christ the wicked shall be consumed "with the Spirit of His mouth," and destroyed "with the brightness of His coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4} AMEN and AMEN. Every seed sown produces a harvest of its kind. So it is in human life. We all need to sow the seeds of compassion, sympathy, and love; for we shall reap what we sow. Every characteristic of selfishness, self-love, self-esteem, every act of self-indulgence, will bring forth a like harvest. He who lives for self is sowing to the flesh, and of the flesh he will reap corruption. {COL 84.3}
God destroys no man. Everyone who is destroyed will have destroyed himself. Everyone who stifles the admonitions of conscience is sowing the seeds of unbelief, and these will produce a sure harvest. By rejecting the first warning from God, Pharaoh of old sowed the seeds of obstinacy, and he reaped obstinacy. God did not compel him to disbelieve. The seed of unbelief which he sowed produced a harvest of its kind. Thus his resistance continued, until he looked upon his devastated land, upon the cold, dead form of his first-born, and the first-born of all in his house and of all the families in his kingdom, until the waters of the sea closed over his horses and his chariots and his men of war. His history is a fearful illustration of the truth of the words that "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Galatians 6:7. Did men but realize this, they would be careful what seed they sow. {COL 84.4}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: Do you really believe a loving heavenly Father will withdraw His hand and permit death and destruction? If so, then you serve a cruel God. Look and live. Search the Scriptures - nowhere does it say Jesus, while here in the flesh, withdrew His hand and permitted death and destruction.
A: Then you missed it! For we have seen it clearly!!! Look again. If you believe Jesus, while here in the flesh, withdrew His shielding hand and permitted death and destruction then your God is twice as cruel. My God does not withdraw His hand. He is kind and loving. He promises, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." He doesn't threaten, "Love me or I'll withdraw and permit death and destruction." Even human fathers, who are evil, would not withdraw and permit harm to come to their children. You are arguing human fathers are more kind and loving than our heavenly Father. "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?"
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Does the death of Christ say anything to you about the death of a sinner? It does not to MM, what about you? Thou shalt not bear false witness. You are lying about me.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Does the death of Christ say anything to you about the death of a sinner? It does not to MM, what about you? Thou shalt not bear false witness. You are lying about me. I'm saying what I understand about you. To say otherwise would be lying.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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You have zero proof. You are lying without evidence.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: Do you really believe a loving heavenly Father will withdraw His hand and permit death and destruction? If so, then you serve a cruel God. Look and live. Search the Scriptures - nowhere does it say Jesus, while here in the flesh, withdrew His hand and permitted death and destruction.
A: Then you missed it! For we have seen it clearly!!! Look again. If you believe Jesus, while here in the flesh, withdrew His shielding hand and permitted death and destruction then your God is twice as cruel. My God does not withdraw His hand. He is kind and loving. He promises, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." He doesn't threaten, "Love me or I'll withdraw and permit death and destruction." That's right - it is "love me or I'll kill you". He will do it actively because He is not some mamby-pamby god. He is JUST. Have you read Deuteronomy 32 recently or many other texts like it? Now, you said there was no example of God giving up, letting go. Then have not not seen the death of Christ? There is no better example! No better revelation of how God is involved in the death of the wicked. But bodily pain was but a small part of the agony of God's dear Son. The sins of the world were upon Him, also the sense of His Father's wrath as He suffered the penalty of the law transgressed. It was these that crushed His divine soul. It was the hiding of His Father's face--a sense that His own dear Father had forsaken Him--which brought despair. The separation that sin makes between God and man was fully realized and keenly felt by the innocent, suffering Man of Calvary. {2T 214.2}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: If you believe Jesus, while here in the flesh, withdrew His shielding hand and permitted death and destruction then your God is twice as cruel. My God does not withdraw His hand. He is kind and loving. He promises, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." He doesn't threaten, "Love me or I'll withdraw and permit death and destruction."
A: That's right - it is "love me or I'll kill you". He will do it actively because He is not some mamby-pamby god. He is JUST. Have you read Deuteronomy 32 recently or many other texts like it? Now, you said there was no example of God giving up, letting go. Then have not not seen the death of Christ? There is no better example! No better revelation of how God is involved in the death of the wicked. The god you are describing is a false god. Jesus is a kind and loving Saviour. He promises, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." He doesn't threaten, "Love me or I'll withdraw and permit death and destruction."
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: If you believe Jesus, while here in the flesh, withdrew His shielding hand and permitted death and destruction then your God is twice as cruel. My God does not withdraw His hand. He is kind and loving. He promises, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." He doesn't threaten, "Love me or I'll withdraw and permit death and destruction."
A: That's right - it is "love me or I'll kill you". He will do it actively because He is not some mamby-pamby god. He is JUST. Have you read Deuteronomy 32 recently or many other texts like it? Now, you said there was no example of God giving up, letting go. Then have not not seen the death of Christ? There is no better example! No better revelation of how God is involved in the death of the wicked. The god you are describing is a false god. Jesus is a kind and loving Saviour. He promises, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." He doesn't threaten, "Love me or I'll withdraw and permit death and destruction." You are right! I don't describe God like that. God is not the source of sickness, disease, and death. Do you now agree?????? i doubt it
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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