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Re: "Internal foes" - What is this talking about?
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11/21/05 03:20 AM
11/21/05 03:20 AM
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Paul's references to the flesh, our vile body…
Phi 3:21 Who shall change our vile ταπείνωσις (depression (in rank or feeling): - humiliation, be made low, low estate) body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body...
This is not dealing with the issue of sin. It is talking about our current low estate compared to the glorious body which the Lord has in store.
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"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
The lusts and affections affiliated with our flesh will continue to harass us until the day Jesus returns and replaces it with a body like unto His glorious body, namely, holy flesh.
Your statement is in direct contradiction to the scripture you quoted.
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Holy flesh, as opposed to sinful flesh, will not generate ungodly lusts and affections that must be resisted.
I do not believe in such a thing as “holy flesh” now or ever (in context of your idea of temptation or lack of temptation). I do not look to the flesh for anything “for in me dwells no good thing”.
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But, according to Paul and Sister White, it is false doctrine to say that we can, before Jesus returns, rid ourselves of the evil promptings that originate with our sinful flesh, that we can have holy flesh now, a flesh that does not produce sinful lusts and affections.
The flesh is only a source when it is made to be a source by placing our faith either in our reason, feelings, emotions, and/or the five senses.
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John, how does your view of sinful flesh agree or disagree with these observations?
You position looks to the flesh for salvation from the power of sin. I trouble myself not with the flesh (for I know that in me dwells no good thing). It is the Law of the spirit of life in Christ that sets us free from the law of sin and death.
The internal foes exist and have power to the extent that one retains “value” for them. He who has settled it in his heart that “in me dwells no good thing” does not leave any “value” for it. You can only be tempted by that which you “value”. (Perhaps the things you consider “legitimate needs” are giving you trouble.)
So in effect the argument is to the contrary of your position. The one who has settled it in his heart that “in me dwells no good thing” does not think of any such thing as holy flesh; does not give any credence to the flesh; does not make provision for the flesh; does not suffer internal foes.
It is the one who still thinks “there is something good in me”; tries to divide between the good and the bad of the flesh; gives credence to the flesh; makes provision for the flesh; therefore suffers the internal foes; thinks about when he will have holy flesh that he will not have to contend with the bad.
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Please do not confuse this with the "thorn in the flesh" which Paul mentions to keep him humble.
2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
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Re: "Internal foes" - What is this talking about?
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11/21/05 05:01 AM
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Thank you, John. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on internal foes. I am convinced, though, that our internal foes will continue to tempt us until Jesus returns. Consequently, we must continue to abide in Jesus, continue to partake of the divine nature, so that Jesus can empower us to resist our internal foes unto the honor and glory of God our Father.
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Re: "Internal foes" - What is this talking about?
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11/21/05 05:38 AM
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Consequently, we must continue to abide in Jesus, continue to partake of the divine nature because that is the Law of the spirit of life in Christ that sets us free from the law of sin and death.
Indeed it is so. It is the Law of the spirit of life in Christ …
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Re: "Internal foes" - What is this talking about?
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11/22/05 04:33 AM
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It would appear, John, that our basic differences have to do with whether or not our internal foes, the promptings of sin, our sinful flesh nature, remain to tempt us after we are born again.
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