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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: Charity] #167977
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By the way, the GC 442 reference (which is in paragraph 2 of your post) states the beast of Revelation 13 is the papacy. This is actually most clearly stated at page 443. But Ellen White is known to frequently give more than one interpretation to the same passage and sometimes these alternative interpretations on the surface seem to be mutually exclusive.

Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: Godsloveandlaw] #167978
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GLL, am I missing something in how I interpret Ellen White on the ten horns? Brother Houteff says they are anti-religious. Isn't Ellen White saying they are Protestantism?

Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: dedication] #167979
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Originally Posted By: dedication
One reason I do not think Obama is the last president is because he is too friendly with the Muslim side. In the near future there will be a dramatic shift.

Watch this video.

http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001

How do you understand it in prophecy?

I see it as the king of the south pushing against the king of the North.

(King of south – Muslims
King of north – Papacy and Christian Allies-- especially the USA)

The king of the South (Muslims) is now pushing mightily against the king of the north (Christianity).

Quote:
11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.



Quote:
As we approach the last crisis it is of vital moment
that harmony and unity exist among the Lord's instrumentalities. The world is filled with storm and war and variance. Yet under one head--the papal power--the people will unite to oppose God in the person of His witnesses. This union is cemented by the great apostate.--7T 182 (1902). {LDE 131.5}
Laws enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath will bring about a national apostasy from the principles of republicanism upon which the government has been founded. The religion of the papacy will be accepted by the rulers, and the law of God will be made void.--7MR 192 (1906). {LDE 132.1}
A day of great intellectual darkness has been shown to be favorable to the success of popery. It will yet be demonstrated that a day of great intellectual light is equally favorable for its success.--4SP 390 (1884). {LDE 132.2}


In Rev. 17 we have two separate symbols --
The woman and her daughters representing the religious aspect (Both Papal and Protestant)

The beast with its seven heads and ten horns representing the political aspect -- civil powers through which the papacy and finally the Protestants will work.

They are united -- not in opposition -- at the beginning of the last conflict.

As quoted above --
"Yet under one head--the papal power--the people will unite...
"The religion of the papacy will be accepted by the rulers

Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: dedication] #167980
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So as pointed out in the video link in the last post
the Radical Muslims are right now trying to take over the major cities of the world and impose their law system on the citizens.

The latest news strengthens the interpretation that the king of the north (Christian's united under Pope) will come against them
United Religions against Terrorism

Former Israeli President Shimon Peres met with Pope Francis at the Vatican on Thursday to discuss a number of proposals on forming a united front against terrorism, including the idea to create a “United Religions” organization to combat religious extremism.

Pope to be Head of United Religions

"Pope Francis should head a new UN-style “Organisation of United Religions”, or “United Religions”, to “combat violence in God’s name”, said former Israeli president, Shimon Peres, on Thursday.....
because “perhaps for the first time in history, the Holy Father is a leader who’s respected, not just by a lot of people, but also by different religions and their representatives.”
“[He] is perhaps the only leader who is truly respected,” Peres said.
“People who shoot the most these days, nearly always say they are doing it in God’s name,” Peres added. “What is needed is an unquestionable moral authority that says in a strong voice ‘No, God does not want this and does not permit it’.”



It's shaping up --







Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: dedication] #167982
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Originally Posted By: dedication
They are united -- not in opposition -- at the beginning of the last conflict.

As quoted above --
"Yet under one head--the papal power--the people will unite...
"The religion of the papacy will be accepted by the rulers.

I completely agree Dedication.

And we're seeing another significant step in the healing of the wound this last week.

The request of former Prime Minister Peres, a Jew, to make the Pope the world's religious leader is almost unbelievable even in modern times. It requires him to overlook the long and bloody historical antisemitism of the Papacy. Pope Francis was instrumental in bringing it about by reaching out to the Jews personally. There's a lesson in that for us. Sometimes the children of this world are wiser than the children of light.

Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: dedication] #167984
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Originally Posted By: dedication

Watch this video.
http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001
How do you understand it in prophecy?
I see it as the king of the south pushing against the king of the North.


Yes, I agree.

Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: Charity] #167991
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
Originally Posted By: dedication

Watch this video.
http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001
How do you understand it in prophecy?
I see it as the king of the south pushing against the king of the North.


Yes, I agree.

Then how would this puzzle(US creating the problem) fit into the same prophesy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&feature=youtu.be
This link may become removed from youtube as it was in the past.


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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: Charity] #167996
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
Thanks HC. You answered both and gave me some food for thought. Have a good Sabbath.


Sabbath was a blessing, but it was so busy.

SS & Church till 1. Nursing home 3-4.

And the evening meeting 5-9. This meeting was one like I have never before seen in my 50-years as an SDA. Two different views clashed with titanic proportions until we bystanders knelt in the back of the room and just started to pray aloud. In reverence, the feuding parties bowed their heads and peace soon came over the meeting. If such as that can erupt among "the brethren" what will we see when Satan's agents are in our midst accusing the brethren?

mark the reason for this note:

This morning I saw a news report that stated that America is now defending a dam along the Euphrates River. That should it be breached, it will turn off the lights in Baghdad and flood numerous villages downstream. In this dry season with global climate change and all the loss of this dam could have prophetic significance.

Continuing to watch


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: Charity] #167998
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
Another thought: If the ten horn are Protestantism, what implications does that have for interpreting the seven kings and mountains and the eighth head? And who are the ten horns?


Mark,

Your previous post was very insightful.

SDA's understand the 4 kingdoms in Daniel 7

That understanding goes back to the 4th century AD, Luther in the 1500's and Newton in the 1600's thus they cannot be the endtime meaning of Daniel's prophecy because they were understood before it was opened.

Originally Posted By: Daniel 12:4
"Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."


Originally Posted By: Daniel 12:9
"Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end"


Originally Posted By: EGW
"But since 1798 the book of Daniel has been unsealed, knowledge of the prophecies has increased, and many have proclaimed the solemn message of the Judgment near." {GC88 356.2}


As I read it: the meaning that was understood before the book of Daniel was unsealed cannot be that meaning that was to be revealed when and after the book of Daniel was unsealed.

Originally Posted By: Daniel 7:17
"These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth."


In the endtime when knowledge is increased it is known that sea-beasts (7:2-3) are not earth-kings (7:17)

Revelation 10 states that the sea and earth are different

Revelation 17:15 defines water as peoples...
Genesis 1:9 defines seas as gathered waters

Revelation 13 explains the earth beast as arising from America.

So the sea-beasts that sealed the authenticity of Daniel's prophecy are not the meaning that is to be explained after 1798 when Daniel is opened by Revelation.

Originally Posted By: EGW
By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves. {7BC 949.6}


It was not until the earth kings were in existence that they could be identified.

Thus Daniel 7 can be read: the lion president was followed by the bear president, who was followed by the leopard president that was followed by the indescribable president with the iron teeth and ten horns (cf Daniel 7:4-8).

Originally Posted By: Daniel 7:7
it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.


America was diverse from all the sea-beasts that were before it; and America had ten horns.

Originally Posted By: Daniel 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


The little horn is pope John-Paul II. The great words he spoke were Dies Domini and the three horns he plucked up with his charisma were Reagan (lion), Bush I (bear), Clinton (leopard). Reagan healed the papal wound when he sent Ambassador Wilson to Rome. Bush I healed the papal wound when he recognized John-Paul II as the head of all the churches.

Revelation 13 papal beast in the days of John-Paul II with the deadly wound healed demonstrating that he was completely bonded with Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton.

The 7-heads on the papal beast are Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, and Benedict XVI.

Originally Posted By: EGW
That afternoon [November 2] he [Elder Bourdeau] had us accompany him to the Cathedral [in Valence, France] and look upon the bust of Pius VI who was noted in prophecy, who was led into captivity and died in captivity. Here was the one marked in history who received the deadly wound. His heart is encased in the marble monument beneath where the bust is located. We felt rather solemn as we looked upon the monument of this man noted in prophecy.--Letter 110, 1886, p. 2. (To W. C. White and wife, November 4, 1886.)


Originally Posted By: Revelation 13:3
"one of his heads as it were wounded to death;"


The ten horns on the papal beast are the 10 Presidents from Truman to Clinton. The crowns indicate that they were in office while bonding with the papal beast.

Originally Posted By: 2 kings 11:12
"put the crown upon him, and gave him the testimony; and they made him king"


Originally Posted By: 1 kings 1:35
"he shall be king in my stead: and I have appointed him to be ruler"


Originally Posted By: EGW
"Notwithstanding this, so well will he counterfeit righteousness, that if it were possible, he would deceive the very elect. Crowned heads, presidents, rulers in high places, will bow to his false theories.{RH, August 17, 1897 par. 14}


When the scene changes in Rev 17; apostate protestantism with the mark of the beast on her forehead is riding the papal beast. the hour has ended 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013. The last scenes will be rapid ones.

The three frogs of Rev 16:13 are soon to come. Satan will appear as John-Paul II (the dragon to deceive the world with Sunday sacredness and spiritualism) the beast is Pope Francis I and the false prophet is Benedict the retired.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11 [Re: Charity] #168003
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It was reported the Vatican purchased a sizeable
portion of Jerusalem some years ago. A real estate transaction.
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