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Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: APL] #168738
10/06/14 02:33 PM
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APL, do you pray for our troops? Do you pray they can defend freedom without suffering harm or loss?

Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: APL] #168743
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Are you a Christian Patriot MM?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: APL] #168747
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Did a quick search on "Christian Patriot"

Christian Patriot
AKA Terrorists. Believe that "Zionist control everything", and that taxes are wrong, (well throw the patriot part out there), And the country should be a theocarcy. Link

Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: APL] #168753
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That could be said for a "Christian". What is the nation of your birth? The U.S.? Are you "born again?" What nation are you born again into? The U.S.? Nope. Did you think to look at Adventist literature? Let me help you out.

"Editorial" Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 76, 34 , p. 540.

WHAT is Christian patriotism?
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.1}

Patriotism itself is love of country. And the country, the love of which is patriotism, is the country of one's birth, or of one's adoption by naturalization.
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.2}

Christian patriotism then, being Christian love of country, can be nothing else than the love of the country of his Christian birth.
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.3}

But the Christian birth is the new birth: it is the being "born again," which is being "born from above." And this "above," the place from which the Christian is born, is heaven.
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.4}

Heaven then is the Christian's country. And even so with the Scripture: "If ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Gal. 3:29. And to Abraham it was said, "Get thee out of thy country, . . . into the land that I will show thee." "He . . . obeyed," and thenceforth he and all his "confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. {August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.5}

"And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country; that is an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."
Heb. 11:15-16. {August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.6}

Patriotism, then, being love of one's country, and the "heavenly country" being the Christian's country, Christian patriotism is nothing else than love of the heavenly country.
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.7}

True patriotism is the love of one's country above all other countries: so much so that the true patriot willingly lays down his life for his country. Christian patriotism, then, is the love of the heavenly country above all other countries: so much so that the true Christian will willingly lay down his life for this his country.
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.8}

True patriotism is "the spirit that originating in love of country, prompts to obedience to its laws; to the support and defense of its existence, rights, and institutions; and to the promotion of its welfare." The Christian's country, being only the heavenly country, Christian patriotism is nothing else than the spirit that prompts to obedience to its laws; to the support and defense of its existence, rights, and institutions; and to the promotion of its welfare.
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.9}

The spirit that, as to the Christian, originates in the love of the Christian's country, is none other than the Holy Spirit. For without being born again, there can be no Christian; and there being no Christian, there can be no love of the Christian's country—no Christian patriotism. And being born again is to be born of the Spirit. Therefore without the Holy Spirit's creating the new creature and the new life, there can be no Christian patriotism.
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.10}

Are you a Christian patriot? Do you love the Christian's country above all other countries? Have you the spirit that prompts obedience to the laws of that country, above all other laws? that supports and defends its existence, rights, and institutions above and against those of all other countries?
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.11}

But may not Christian patriotism, this support and defense of the rights and institutions of the Christian's country, involve fighting?—It not only may, but it certainly does. Listen: "Fight the good fight of faith." "The weapons of our warfare are not carnal," yet they are "mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.12}

"Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints."
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.13}

Are you a Christian patriot?
{August 22, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 540.14}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: APL] #168768
10/07/14 01:49 PM
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I am a Christian. I am an American. I pray for our troops who are working to preserve freedom.

You have yet to testify if you pray for our troops. Do you?

Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: Mountain Man] #168772
10/07/14 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
My boys didn't kill anyone because they served in support roles. No, there is nothing wrong with killing an enemy combatant during battle.
Thank you for answering the question of why your boys couldn't kill anyone.

But my question was: Why did you say you were glad they didn't kill anyone?

If there is nothing wrong with killing someone if the government tells you to, then why should you be glad for them not following the government expectations? Wouldn't that be unpatriotic?

Or is there something wrong with killing people, whether in love or war?

Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: Green Cochoa] #168774
10/07/14 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
War is definitely justified. Ask the Germans, English, French, etc if stopping Hitler was justified. The Bible is full of examples of justified war.

Indeed. If Hitler had been allowed to conquer everyone (supposing they could not fight), Bible prophecy would have been defeated. The image of Daniel 2 would have been falsified.
So are you saying the Germans, English, French, etc. prevented Bible prophecy from being defeated?

Really?

If it weren't for the Germans, English, French, etc., God's whole plan of Bible prophecy would have failed. Wow. Guess your god needed some propping up.

Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: APL] #168777
10/07/14 03:02 PM
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kland,

I recommend the book "Prophecy Speaks" to you. It is online HERE. I think you would enjoy it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: Mountain Man] #168779
10/07/14 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Did a quick search on "Christian Patriot"

Christian Patriot
AKA Terrorists. Believe that "Zionist control everything", and that taxes are wrong, (well throw the patriot part out there), And the country should be a theocarcy.
Also, "a militant far right organization. The movement maintained ties with the militia movement of the same period". But,
"After 2000, the original movement became defunct and the term Christian Patriot was increasingly adopted by conservative Christians self-identifying themselves[who?] as patriots.[citation needed]"

Now that is very interesting. Don't Zionists believe God tells them to kill people who disagree with them?

MM, are you a Zionist and/or a Christian Patriot?


Quote:
That could be you if you had your wishes (do not resist godless dictators like Hitler).
"In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf (1925/6), he makes a number of religious allusions, claiming to fulfil the will of the Christian God and having been chosen by providence.[12] In a 1928 speech he said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."[19]"

Now isn't that even more interesting.

Seems like I was just saying something about that kind of attitude.

Hmmm....

Re: How Are We To Love the Soldiers of ISIS? [Re: Green Cochoa] #168780
10/07/14 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
kland,

I recommend the book "Prophecy Speaks" to you. It is online HERE. I think you would enjoy it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Why do you think this addresses anything?

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