His child, saying that I'm going to be lost because I refuse to believe your opinion is not productive.


You have compared Rev 13 with Rev 17.

You have said the popes are heads.

You have said the head who received the deadly wound is pope Pius VI.


Rev 13 says the beast has 7 heads.
One head receives the deadly wound.

Question: Which of the 7 do you say received the deadly wound?

kland,

You add greatly to what I did say.



That is truth



This is a conclusion that alters the facts.

I did show from the Scripture, Revelation 13 (which I did not write) that it states that one of the beast's "heads" received a deadly wound.

I did show from the Spirit of Prophecy (which I did not write) that it states that pope Pius VI who fulfilled the prophecy was the one who received a deadly wound.



Though I showed you the link between the prophet John and the explanation from the Servant of the Lord, Ellen White, you persist in making it appear as though it is something I manufactured.

By explaining away such a simple thread in prophetic truth you set aside a thus saith the Lord by making it appear as though it were something that I invented rather than being the result of sound Bible study in conjunction with the Spirit of Prophecy.

If you honestly cannot see it, the Holy Spirit is able to bring you to understanding that which is truth.



When the papacy finished its 1260-years that counterfeited Christ's 3.5-years of Ministry Pope Pius (VI) received the deadly wound. Thus the papacy also counterfeited Christ's Friday death, Sabbath rest in the grave and Sunday resurrection.

In 1798, Pius was taken captive and died in his captivity (counterfeiting Friday). In 1799, there was no pope (counterfeiting Sabbath). And in 1800, a new pope was elected (counterfeiting the Sunday resurrection).

Notice that the pope elected in 1800 took the name PIUS which was the same name as the pope that received the deadly wound.

Likewise when the beast in Revelation 13 had its deadly wound healed by Mussolini, he signed the Lateran Treaty with the Vatican while Pope PIUS (XI) was ruling.

Thus the head that was wounded and healed was the head named PIUS though it was not the same man.

Revelation 13:3 "And <2532> I saw <1492> (5627) one <3391> of his <846> heads <2776> as it were <5613> wounded <4969> (5772) to <1519> death <2288>; and <2532> his <846> deadly <2288> wound <4127> was healed <2323> (5681): and <2532> all <3650> the world <1093> wondered <2296> (5681) (5625) <2296> (5656) after <3694> <1722> the beast <2342>."

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1) only one, someone

Pope PIUS who had been the pope/king of the papal church received a deadly wound that was in place until Pope PIUS received the healing of the deadly wound.

And that wound remained healed from 1929 through 2013: the prophetic hour specified in the prophecy of Revelation 17. During that hour the papacy had only one pope at a time. Now that the hour is up, there are two living popes and soon to be a third according to Revelation 16 (Revelation repeats and expands and explains).

And as Revelation supplements the book of Daniel: when Babylon fell it had 2 kings: Nabonidus and Belshazzar. Then in Babylon's final moments, it had a third ruler added: Daniel. The papacy (spiritual Babylon is in its final moments, Satan impersonating John-Paul II (one of the 7 that is to be the 8th) will appear. Then there will be John-Paul II (the dragon) Pope Francis I (the beast) & Pope Benedict (the false prophet)

I hope that helps

Does it alter it? You said:

Not true now?

kland,

You add greatly to what I did say.

I did not understand. Are you retracting the statement or standing behind it?

Very interesting question.

As best as I can tell, it seems to depend on when, or what time in history, you look at a map of Europe! Do we look at the map of Europe after the fall of Medo-Persia and the death of Alexander the Great?!? Or do we look at the map at about the eighth century AD?!?

The map looks differently at different times in history, so at what time in history do we look at this map? I still believe it is after the death of Alexander.

A map? Or is it what the North and South represents?

Exactly kland.

The map is connected to understanding what is meant by the king of the north and the king of the south.

His child wrote; "And that wound remained healed from 1929 through 2013: the prophetic hour specified in the prophecy of Revelation 17. During that hour the papacy had only one pope at a time. Now that the hour is up, there are two living popes and soon to be a third according to Revelation 16 (Revelation repeats and expands and explains).

And as Revelation supplements the book of Daniel: when Babylon fell it had 2 kings: Nabonidus and Belshazzar. Then in Babylon's final moments, it had a third ruler added: Daniel. The papacy (spiritual Babylon is in its final moments, Satan impersonating John-Paul II (one of the 7 that is to be the 8th) will appear. Then there will be John-Paul II (the dragon) Pope Francis I (the beast) & Pope Benedict (the false prophet)

I hope that helps"

I am one who has never accepted the "seven popes" idea for Revelation 17. I have always been able to find something wrong with every version I have heard. So, as I read this version here, how is there to be another pope when we are already on number 8? Also, the eighth wasn't anything like the seven in that he is a Jesuit and ruling jointly with pope #7?

As I see it, this whole "seven popes" idea has completely shattered apart. Oh, and John Paul II is still going to be resurrected? Isn't it too late for that?

His child wrote; "I did show from the Scripture, Revelation 13 (which I did not write) that it states that one of the beast's "heads" received a deadly wound.

I did show from the Spirit of Prophecy (which I did not write) that it states that pope Pius VI who fulfilled the prophecy was the one who received a deadly wound."

That is an excellent point to show from 5MR 318.1, but I believe you misinterpret the point made by that statement. The beast power is the Papacy, that we know is a long line of Popes. So, the beast power of the papacy received the deadly wound through Pope Pius VI. I truly believe this is a much better understanding of 5MR 318.1.

Historically, we know Napoleon wanted to end the papacy altogether. He wasn't able to and another pope was eventually chosen. But, we need to remember that this wound was to kill the papacy as a whole and not just Pope Pius VI.