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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: asygo] #169423
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How can we learn to express such love for those whom we deem undeserving or who don't love us back?

We tend to talk of sin as sins of commission but what about sins of omission -- not showing love? James is referring to these.

"2:15-16 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; but you do not give them those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit?

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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: asygo] #169425
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Tuesday October 28

Loving Our Neighbors
Read James 2:8-9, along with Leviticus 19:17-18 and Matthew 5:43-45.


2:8-9 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, you will love your neighbour as yourself, you do well:
But if you show favoritism to persons, you commit sin, and are accounted of the law as transgressors.


19:17-18 You are not to hate your brother in your heart: you are to reason with your neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Do not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbour as yourself: I am the LORD.

5:44 Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


What crucial message are we being given here?

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He who claims to be a Christian should examine himself and see if he is as kind and considerate of his fellow beings as he desires his fellow beings to be of him. . . . Christ taught that rank or wealth should make no difference in our treatment of one another and that in the light of heaven all are brethren. Earthly possessions or worldly honor do not count in God's valuation of man. He created all men equal; He is no respecter of persons. He values a man according to the virtue of his character. {HP 287.4}

To possess true godliness means to love one another, to help one another, to make apparent the religion of Jesus in our lives. We are to be consecrated channels through which the love of Christ flows to those who need help. . . . He who approaches nearest to obedience to the divine law will be of the most service to God. He who follows Christ, reaching out after His goodness, His compassion, His love for the human family, will be accepted by God as a worker together with Him. . . . {HP 287.5}

When the Lord's people are filled with meekness and tenderness for one another, they will realize that His banner over them is love and His fruit will be sweet to their taste. Heaven will begin on earth. They will make a heaven below in which to prepare for heaven above. {HP 287.6}

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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: asygo] #169427
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Read James 2:10-11. Then read the passages listed in the table below and classify them as either emphasizing the “whole law,” the “law of love,” or both.

2:10-11 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Whole Law -- Law of Love
Matt. 5:18-19

Whole law -- for not one jot or tittle shall pass away till all be fulfilled

Matt. 22:36-40
Whole law - law of love-- Two great commandments -- love God with all your heart, soul and mind, --- and the second love your neighbor as yourself, is the bases of God's whole law!

Rom. 13:8-10
Whole law -- law of love --he that loves others has fulfilled the law -- he doesn't commit adultery, steal, kill, bear false witness or covet.

Gal. 3:10
Whole law -- law of Christ's love for us -- for cursed is he that does not do all the things in the law. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:

Gal. 5:3
Whole law -- Whoever seeks to be justified by the law is fallen from grace.

Gal. 5:14
Whole law -- law of love -- For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.



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That the law which was spoken by God's own voice is faulty, that some specification has been set aside, is the claim which Satan now puts forward. It is the last great deception that he will bring upon the world. He needs not to assail the whole law; if he can lead men to disregard one precept, his purpose is gained. For "whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10. By consenting to break one precept, men are brought under Satan's power. By substituting human law for God's law, Satan will seek to control the world. This work is foretold in prophecy. {DA 763.1}


"The law of love calls for the devotion of body, mind, and soul to the service of God and our fellow men.

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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: asygo] #169428
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Wednesday: The Whole Law

(from the Quarterly)

It is hard for us to grasp how radical Jesus’ teaching on the law was. For devout Jews then (and for many today) one cannot really claim to keep the law without a commitment to keeping all the laws found in the books of Moses. Eventually, 613 separate laws were identified (248 positive laws and 365 negative ones).

The question put to Jesus about which law was most important (Matt. 22:36) was probably meant to trap Him. But although Jesus seems to have affirmed every “jot” (the smallest Hebrew letter; Matt. 5:18) as important, He also taught that love to God and love to our neighbor were the most important commandments because they sum up all the others. (All the commandments are based on love)

Jesus’ teaching also shows that obedience cannot be done in a vacuum. It is always relational, or it is meaningless. In other words, if I tithe because I am afraid of being lost if I don’t, it is not relational. On the other hand, if I tithe out of gratitude for how much God has given me, then my actions are based on my relationship with God.

Jesus also spoke about the “weightier matters” of the law as being “judgment, mercy, and faith” (Matt. 23:23). All of these revolve around relationships too-with God and with other people. James is, therefore, not saying anything different than did Jesus or Paul: any transgression of God’s law damages to some extent our relationship to God and to others. So, it is not a question of having enough good deeds to outweigh our bad deeds. That is obedience in a vacuum, acting as if it all revolves around us. Instead, by knowing Jesus, we begin to direct our attention away from ourselves and toward devotion to God and service to others.

How much of your obedience comes from your love for God and others and how much from a sense of obligation? Is working from obligation always wrong, though? Perhaps you don’t feel love for a person but help him or her only because you know you are supposed to. What, if anything, is wrong with that?

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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: dedication] #169440
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Wednesday: The Whole Law


How much of your obedience comes from your love for God and others and how much from a sense of obligation? Is working from obligation always wrong, though? Perhaps you don’t feel love for a person but help him or her only because you know you are supposed to. What, if anything, is wrong with that?


What is the picture James is painting in this section?

How the rich are treating the poor? Are we to bring the Gospel to whom?

Are we so used to picking out short sentences from the Bible to support our views that we do not see what it speaks about?

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8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.


So what is James really saying?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: asygo] #169441
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Yes, they see things more clearly.

Exactly. And they see faults and imperfections in themselves, unlike Jesus.

It seems like you are missing my point, namely, they are not guilty of sinning because they have defects and imperfections they refuse to cherish or act out in thought, word, or behavior. Having them is totally different than acting them out. You seem to think they are guilty of sinning even if they don't sin.

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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: Mountain Man] #169456
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: asygo
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Yes, they see things more clearly.

Exactly. And they see faults and imperfections in themselves, unlike Jesus.

It seems like you are missing my point, namely, they are not guilty of sinning because they have defects and imperfections they refuse to cherish or act out in thought, word, or behavior. Having them is totally different than acting them out. You seem to think they are guilty of sinning even if they don't sin.

You've wandered away again. All I'm saying is that the SOP says their natures are seen to be different from Christ's, and I agree. You are trying very hard to disagree with it without saying it aloud.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: dedication] #169457
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Originally Posted By: dedication
How can we learn to express such love for those whom we deem undeserving or who don't love us back?

We tend to talk of sin as sins of commission but what about sins of omission -- not showing love? James is referring to these.

"2:15-16 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; but you do not give them those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit?

That is very difficult indeed. We are often guilty of crossing the street to avoid a fellow sinner in need.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: dedication] #169458
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Originally Posted By: dedication
How much of your obedience comes from your love for God and others and how much from a sense of obligation? Is working from obligation always wrong, though? Perhaps you don’t feel love for a person but help him or her only because you know you are supposed to. What, if anything, is wrong with that?

Since the law requires love, doing it merely out of a sense of obligation does not fulfill the law. But it still helps the person in need.

The big caveat is that the unloving helper might tend to believe that he has met God's requirements by so doing. That's the path to legalism.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James [Re: asygo] #169459
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Why is the point so strange to us? Nobody gets it?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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