When the sealing is completed probation closes --
There is no second chance to prepare.

No -- your thoughts are not the Lord's thoughts, if you are suggesting there is still time to prepare after the sealing is completed.

Hebrews 4:7 "To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."

For we do not want to be in the crowd that says:

Jere. 8:20 "The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved."

The battle for the souls of the people, between the Papal lead Christians and the Islamic nations do pertain 'to the "inhabiters" of the earth!


The eagle/vulture imagery can be seen all through the OT when prophets foretold punishment coming upon a nation or people.

The "eagle" is announcing that punishment is coming upon the papal lead Christian world that had forsaken her true mission, despised God's covenant, and was persecuting the true followers of God.

Just like in the OT times --

Hosea 8:1-4,7 "Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law. Israel shall cry unto me, My God, we know thee.
Yet, Israel has cast off good: the enemy shall pursue him... they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.


The word "woe" means trouble is coming--
Isaiah 3:9 "Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves."
3:11 "Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

In Matt. 23 woes were pronounced on the scribes and Pharisees because they too had forsaken God's covenant and were leading people to away from the source of salvation.

The "woe" trumpets are pronouncing WOE on the apostate Christian world, and the Mohammadians were the instruments bringing that woe upon the Christian world.




I don't think you understand the impact Islam had on the whole Christian world at that time. Nor do people in our countries seem to understand the control over the spiritual life both the papal priests and the Moslems had over the people.

If you study prophecy -- like the prophecies of Daniel -- you should know that Satan works through nations -- Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome in ancient history, and in the Christian era Satan has taken over the powerful groups that profess to worship the one true God -- Papal led Christianity and Islamics.




Indeed it is an urgent message --

The three woes announce three major confrontation between these powers. The first confrontation I outlined. The second (6th trumpet) was far worse than the first.

Then we have the apparent "dying" of both powers in the political arena in the late 1700's and early 1800's, this time is depicted in the chapters between the 6th and 7th trumpet. The end of the prophetic time lines, and the emergence of the commandment keeping church with the endtime prophetic message.

Right now -- in 2014, we are sitting on the edge of the last great and terrible third and last confrontation when these powers will seek to control the souls and bodies of all people -- and yes, it is impacting the whole world.

Right now Islam (the king of the South) is pushing with terrorizing pressure (Daniel 11:40)
Do a little study on what is going on in the world RIGHT NOW.

The papal led Christian world (king of the north) is going to rise in indignation and with all the arms and fury now at their disposal will put down the King of the South (Daniel 11:40- ) and the Moslem world will follow in "his steps".
But what appears to be a victory will not bring peace -- it will only accelerate "the nations are angry"

What does that mean for the world?
They will see the Islamic leaders (or leader) as the antichrist -- the pope as the great deliver -- Rome will re-establish her dominion and "and all the world [will]wonder after the beast; and they worship the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worship the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. "

Yes, satan is behind it all -- he (or one of his demons) not only dictated a "new" religion to the Muslim prophet in that cave, he (or one of his demons) is also appearing as "mary" to crowds of people. The pope has consecrated the whole world to mary and looks to these apparitions for guidance!

That's what those trumpets are all about --
Those two powers that have been seeking to dominate the souls of all people for many centuries.

The heart of God is to save people. He is not all about punishing the wicked.

Whenever an eagle appeared in the Book of Revelation it is about the deliverance of God for His people.

Rev 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Rev 8:13 "And I beheld, and heard an eagle flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

In the OT, the eagle is depicted as God's deliverance for HIs people.

Deut. 32:10-11 "He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:"

My understanding of the Rev 8:13 of the eagle is that the spiritual deception is so great in the message of the three woes, God is assuring His people of His care as the apple of his eye. Also notice that the introduction of the Seven Trumpets is the imagery of Jesus' intercession in heavenly sanctuary which assure us of His care.

Actually, it doesn't say fallen star, but "a star fall from heaven". Used in a sense of a verbal action rather than an a past adjective description.

I would agree with some of what dedication said about this. The powers of God are in control, not satan releasing his angels. The bottomless pit is where satan is. He and his angels are released for a time. After the sealing and probation has closed.

For before the trumpets sound, "another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne."
A golden censer.
A golden altar.
Before the throne. (which throne? and where?)

"And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake."
After the censer (and/or fire) is cast to the earth, something dramatic happens.

The warnings of the fifth and sixth trumpets imply a solemnity and fearfulness beyond anything of previous forewarning, which the apostate leader is depicted in the third trumpet-a great star who fell from heaven burning like a lamp, and who, falling upon the third part of the rivers and fountains of waters, poisoned them so that men drinking of them died, the waters being made bitter.
Under the fifth trumpet, this leader develops and opens the bottomless pit, using a key.
Christ commits the keys of the kingdom of heaven to His church in Matt. 16:19, “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
From these Scriptures it is clear that a key implies a system of teaching.
Thus, this arch-apostate, by a system of erroneous teaching, opens up the bottomless pit which caused the sun and air darkened by the reason of the smoke of the pit.
Darkening of the sun implies the blotting out, from before the eyes of men or minds, the spiritual sky will be made dark by the false system with which they will be deluded.
It is the strong delusion, that the 2 Thess. 2:11 said, “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”
The air is particularly Satan’s realm. He is called “the prince of the power of the air.” The darkening of the air implies the control of this realm by satanic agencies.
This coming delusion will spread rapidly and prevail largely at the present time, asserting the divinity of humanity, “Ye shall be as God.”
They will spread like locusts over all the earth, having tremendous power over the minds of men.
This is what the third verse indicates: “And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.”
The locust symbolizes the spiritual plague of the last days. The symbol of the locusts is coupled with that of the scorpion, because of the torment these evil teachings eventually bring to those who accept them.
The grass and trees are representing mankind. The locusts have a power to hurt to those who have not the seal of God in their foreheads. They torment the mankind for five months, a torment akin to that of a scorpion when he striketh a man.
The sealed of God will be preserved from the strong delusion under the fifth trumpet of warning of the plague of false teaching.

Actually I'm saying,

it is not.

Many would disagree with you, but maybe you could show otherwise. Could you show that the star falling from heaven in verse 9:1 indicates the apostate leader?

'A star fall from heaven unto the earth' indicate the Satan according to Luke 10:18, "And he said unit them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven".

I would say that the apostate leader, namely Papacy, was originated from the Satan.

The fifth plague is poured upon the seat of the beast (the Papacy), which cause the darkness of his kingdom just as the fifth trumpet has warned about the overcast of the darkness of the sun and the air by the Papacy.

The fifth seal indicate the martyrdom cry, 'How long, O Lord, holy and true, does thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?', which the Papacy has killed them.

The fifth church indicate that the reformation from the Papacy.

All the fifth of the sevens (churches, seals, trumpets, and plagues) has indication of the Papacy, the apostate leader. Thus, the cause of the fifth plague is of the Papacy.

Re 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

So which other verse should we go with? The one in Luke, or the one in Revelation?

I'm not sure I'm getting my question stated correctly. But it involves how do you decide what it is. Just because you find something doesn't mean something else can't be found which says the opposite. You need to have something that means it rather than incidental evidence.

Isaiah 14:12,15 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!",
"Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

Ezekiel 28:14, 17 "Thou art the anointed cherub that eovereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."
"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I kbeheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

Daniel 12:10 "….the wise shall understand."

I don't think there is a question concerning Satan begin cast out of heaven. He was cast out before the creation of this world.
But apparently he still had some access to heaven as we see in the book of Job, where he appears when the "Sons of God" -- the representatives of other worlds-- meet before God.

He was fully "cast down" from heaven at the time of the cross --
There he stood guilty of murdering God. And he knew exactly who it was that he had murdered. But many people still didn't understand.

The texts quoted above show he will be even more fully "cast down" before all people. This will take place after the millennium when satan leads the unsaved in a mighty battle with the purpose of taking God's city, and God reveals the history of grace freely offered but spurned. Everyone will then know the true character of satan, who had presented himself to them as the rightful prince of this world. God "will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee....All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. "


But are the "stars" in Revelation referring to the same thing?