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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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Sources -- my sources are from all over the place. Well now, THAT'S the truth! Are you that unfamiliar with the popular evangelical teachings being preached on Christian radio stations, presented in Christian films, and books? Your insults bother me not the least. You can do your own research -- just look up the words I gave you and you will find PLENTY OF SOURCES. That is just the problem. I DIDN'T "find PLENTY OF SOURCES" to support this claim. You make the claim, you post the support. Don't expect me to do your work for you.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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Sources -- my sources are from all over the place. Well now, THAT'S the truth! Yes, it is the truth -- This is NOT some remote "doctrinal study" hidden in some university, you will find this teaching everywhere. Are you that unfamiliar with the popular evangelical teachings being preached on Christian radio stations, presented in Christian films, and books? Your insults bother me not the least. It wasn't an insult, it was a question asked in pure amazement You can do your own research -- just look up the words I gave you and you will find PLENTY OF SOURCES. That is just the problem. I DIDN'T "find PLENTY OF SOURCES" to support this claim. You make the claim, you post the support. Don't expect me to do your work for you. It is a popular teaching in the Protestant Christian world-- If you are not interested enough to find things on your own, no use bothering you with it. I gave you enough leads if you are interested -- you are on your own if you wish to delve into this. If not - that's fine, too. Though I have a very hard time believing you are unaware of the prominent prophetic interpretation that has swept through the evangelical churches.
just look up the words I gave you and you will find PLENTY OF SOURCES.
Do you know who John N. Darby, Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, Cyrus Scofield are?
Have you heard of Dispensationalism, Pretribulation, the Davidic Kingdom, Premillienalism?
Have you heard about the "Left Behind" Series (books and films)?
It's hard to find a book in a non-SDA Christian bookstore on Biblical Prophecy these days that isn't highly influenced by this theory.
(Of course the Catholic church vetoes the concept of a rapture and a future 1000 kingdom on earth, as it sees the millennium as the whole Christian era since Pentecost, and itself as representative of God on earth -- but they too are looking for a final fulfilment mainly of their primacy over all the earth)
"Starting in the 1970s, dispensationalists broke into the popular culture with runaway best-sellers. Since the mid-1990s, tens of millions of people who have never seen a prophetic chart or listened to a sermon on the second coming have read one or more novels in the Left Behind series, which has become the most effective disseminator of dispensationalist ideas ever.
You can try a book like:
"The last Days Handbook, by Robert Lightner
And not to forget why there even is a Jerusalem today. Why are people "up in arms" over anything against Israel, etc., etc.
I would say the majority of Christians believe in a temporal kingdom located in literal Jerusalem. Listen to the news. Listen to the churches. Listen to common conversation. It's everywhere. Very true. It's affecting not only people's religious ideas, but the political realms as well.
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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For example: Taken from: The "End Times" A Study on Eschatology and Millennialism A Report of the Commission on Theology and Church Relations of The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod September 1989 Current Millennial Views __________ While there are numerous variations in millennialist teaching today, a fourfold
categorization has been widely accepted:
(l) dispensational premillennialism;
(2) historic premillennialism;
(3) postmillennialism; and
(4) amillennialism.
Of the first three categories, all of which hold to a millennium or utopian age on this earth, the most
commonly held view is dispensational premillennialism. In the interest of narrowing the
discussion that follows to manageable proportions and of seeking to assist the members
of the Synod in their evaluation of such teaching, the Commission has chosen to focus
on this more well-known and prevalent premillennialist view....
The teachings of dispensational premillennialism on prophecy have spread widely in
Canada and the United States, due especially to the influence of the 1909 Scofield
Reference Bible and its subsequent editions. Today, dispensationalism is by far the most prominent form of millennialism. It is officially taught at the Moody Bible Institute
(Chicago), Dallas Theological Seminary, and an estimated two hundred Bible institutes in the U.S.A. It has been promoted by television evangelists such as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, and Jack Van Impe, by independent ministries such as "Lamb and Lion" and "World Prophecy Ministry," and in dozens of paperbacks. Among the best known of these is Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth , which has made its way into film. What that study says just verifies what has been very apparent for many years.
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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The question isn't --
"do a lot of religious people believe there will be an earthly utopic, pre-close of probation, righteous temporal kingdom with headquarters in Palistine? The answer is yes -- there are a lot of religious people who believe that.
The question is --
Is this the correct interpretation for the endtimes, or will it lead people straight into the powers of deception seeking our destruction?
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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Yet again we stand in disappointment at Dedication's side tracking craftiness. Notice she side tracks the main issue of what God's word says. Instead she focuses on "me" and "Houteff". Not one word explaining why God's word should not be believed..
let us repeat-- and we will show God's direct word concerning this return of the Israel homeland to His people in the LAST days.
"Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it. (Ezekiel 36:22-36)
I --THE--LORD-- HAVE--SPOKEN--IT--AND--I--WILL-- DO--IT
"Finite beings, with their narrow, short-sighted views, feel themselves competent to criticize the Scriptures, saying: 'This passage is needful, and that passage is not needful, and is not inspired>' (Testimonies, vol. 5, p.709)
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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Who side tracked the conversation? You started with Zechariah 8 I showed several passages by EGW as to how she interpreted that passage. You were upset that I should quote EGW (she obviously interprets these passages differently then Houteff) You switched to Ezekiel 36 My issue is INTERPRETATION --
Whose interpretation are we to follow?The reason I mentioned Houteff, is because Houteff's interpretation of these passages is very different from EGW. Also no matter what I write concerning Biblical passages, if it doesn't agree with Houteff, you will simply write it off as "private interpretation" "twisting" "craftiness" and several other attacks aimed at my character. Thus I asked whose interpretation are we to follow?But there was no response to that question. I see no sense in continuing this discussion without settling that issue. This is NOT side tracking. The interpretation you are following is very similar to the dispensationalist premillennialist interpretation which is the prevailing interpretation in Protestant America -- differing mainly on the dispensationalist temporal kingdom that supposedly lasts throughout the 1000 years, while the SRod temporal kingdom is supposedly established before the 1000 years, but both use the "literalist" manner of interpreting these passages. (with variations -- but still centered on old Jerusalem) The message a person understands when reading these passages rests on interpretation. You say these passages were not conditional and were not meant to be fulfilled to Israel after their return from exile. That they were not meant to be fulfilled in the 490 years when the Israelites were to prepare the world for the first coming of Christ. And thus he believe they must be fulfilled to the letter in the "last days". I believe they were conditional and were meant to be fulfilled to the returned exiles, as they prepared the world for the first coming of Christ, and I posted a post outlining this. Due to Israel's failure on their part, God could only partially fulfil the promises to them. Yet, God's purposes will be fulfilled, but not now in the "literal" geographical, political manner, but a fulfilment of God's purposes through his church that will transpire in the last days. Their fulfilment by the "church" is not geographical or political, but is the kingdom of grace to be preached to the world in preparation for Christ's second coming when all the saved go to His Father's house in heaven, and the glorious kingdom is that of the new earth after the 1000 years. This also agrees with the way EGW interprets these passages. Which you were upset about when I posted her method of interpreting these passages. But let's look again as to how she interprets them.
PK chapter 59
(dealing with Zechariah 7-8)
"This promise of blessing should have met fulfillment in large measure during the centuries following the return of the Israelites from the lands of their captivity. It was God's
design that the whole earth be prepared for the first advent of Christ, even as today the way is preparing for His second coming. At the end of the years of humiliating exile, God graciously gave to His people Israel, through Zechariah, the assurance: "I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain." And of His people He said, "Behold, . . . I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness." Zechariah 8:3, 7, 8. {PK 703.2}
These promises were conditional on obedience. The sins that had characterized the Israelites prior to the captivity, were not to be repeated. "Execute true judgment," the Lord exhorted those who were engaged in rebuilding; "and show mercy and compassions every man to his brother: and oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother." "Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbor; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates." Zechariah 7:9, 10; 8:16. {PK 704.1}
Rich were the rewards, both temporal and spiritual, promised those who should put into practice these principles of righteousness. "The seed shall be prosperous," the Lord declared; "the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things. And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so I will save you, and ye shall be a blessing." Zechariah 8:12, 13.
Clearly EGW places Zechariah 7-8 as a message to the returned exiles from Babylon. As we read on in the same chapter, EGW shows how they failed, and ended up, instead of receiving the Messiah and becoming the light to the whole world, they rejected Christ, and their land was left desolate. She writes: " That which God purposed to do for the world through Israel, the chosen nation, He will finally accomplish through His church on earth today." p. 713But she isn't talking about a geographical kingdom here, she is talking about the "light to the whole world". The church TODAY is the light to the world. She tells us For 1260 years (the dark ages) the church of God was in captivity to Babylon But, thank God, His church is no longer in bondage. To spiritual Israel have been restored the privileges accorded the people of God at the time of their deliverance from Babylon. In every part of the earth, men and women are responding to the Heaven-sent message which John the revelator prophesied would be proclaimed prior to the second coming of Christ: "Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come." Revelation 14:7.
{PK 714.2}
No longer have the hosts of evil power to keep the church captive; for "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city," which hath "made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication;" and to spiritual Israel is given the message, "Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Verse 8; 18:4. As the captive exiles heeded the message, "Flee out of the midst of Babylon" (Jeremiah 51:6), and were restored to the Land of Promise, so those who fear God today are heeding the message to withdraw from spiritual Babylon, and soon they are to stand as trophies of divine grace in the earth made new, the heavenly Canaan. {PK 715.1}
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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And how does EGW interpret Ezekiel 36. Again we find no mention of geographical, political kingdom in Palestine in the last days. She again interprets it as finding fulfilment in the Christian experience as citizens of Christ's kingdom of grace. The words, "A new heart also will I give you" (Ezekiel 36:26), mean, A new mind will I give you. This change of heart is always attended by a clear conception of Christian duty, an understanding of truth. The clearness of our view of truth will be proportionate to our understanding of the word of God. {CT 452.3}
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." The Lord says, "Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the Lord thy God." "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean; from all your filthiness and from all your idols will I cleanse you." 1 John 1:9; Jeremiah 3:13; Ezekiel 36:25. {COL 157.3}
At every advance step in Christian experience our repentance will deepen. It is to those whom the Lord has forgiven, to those whom He acknowledges as His people, that He says, "Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight." Ezekiel 36:31 [COL 161
God says: A new heart also will I give you." Ezekiel 36:26. Is not this, the renewal of man, the greatest miracle that can be performed? What cannot the human agent do who by faith takes hold of the divine power? 9T 152 Obviously EGW places these verses in the spiritual regeneration of God's people, not to a returned Israel to Palestine. These are the "purposes of the God" -- the restoration of human hearts being prepared to live forever in God's ETERNAL (not temporal) kingdom. The land to be inherited by those who receive the new heart and cleansing will be the earth made new -- "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." The time has come to which holy men have looked with longing since the flaming sword barred the first pair from Eden--the time for "the redemption of the purchased possession." The earth originally given to man as his kingdom, betrayed by him into the hands of Satan, and so long held by the mighty foe, has been brought back by the great plan of redemption. {AH 540.1}
All that was lost by the first Adam will be restored by the second. The prophet says, "O Tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto Thee shall it come, even the first dominion." (Micah 4:8) And Paul points forward to the "redemption of the purchased possession." {AH 540.2}
God created the earth to be the abode of holy, happy beings. That purpose will be fulfilled when, renewed by the power of God and freed from sin and sorrow, it shall become the eternal home of the redeemed. {AH 540.3} Indeed we can rest assured that God has spoken it and He will preform it. Not the geographical, political temporal thing, that was conditional to Israel -- BUT creating in His people a new heart and mind, cleansing them and ultimately giving them an ETERNAL home in the earth made new, where He will dwell with us forever. As the prophet beholds the redeemed dwelling in the City of God, free from sin and from all marks of the curse, in rapture he exclaims, "Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her."
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"Violence shall no more be heard in thy land,
Wasting nor destruction within thy borders;
But thou shalt call thy walls Salvation,
And thy gates Praise.
"The sun shall be no more thy light by day;
Neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee:
But the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light,
And thy God thy glory.
"Thy sun shall no more go down;
Neither shall thy moon withdraw itself:
For the Lord shall be thine everlasting light,
And the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
"Thy people also shall be all righteous:
They shall inherit the land forever,
The branch of My planting,
The work of My hands,
That I may be glorified."
Isaiah 66:10; 60:18-21. {PK 729.3}
The prophet caught the sound of music there, and song, such music and song as, save in the visions of God, no mortal ear has heard or mind conceived. "The ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away." "Joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody." "As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there." "They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the Lord." Isaiah 35:10; 51:3; Psalm 87:7; Isaiah 24:14. {PK 730.1}
In the earth made new, the redeemed will engage in the occupations and pleasures that brought happiness to Adam and Eve in the beginning. The Eden life will be
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lived, the life in garden and field. "They shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of My people, and Mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands." Isaiah 65:21, 22. {PK 730.2}
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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So following the inspired lead as to how to interpret this passage --
"Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Ezekiel is talking to his people -- the Israelites. Ezekiel lived during the time when Judea was being destroyed by Babylon, it's citizens either killed or taken captive.
One thing we must always keep in mind is that the FIRST COMING of Christ -- the Savior -- was to be to the Israelite nation.
This promise was to be fulfilled, even though at the time it looked like it couldn't be fulfilled because Israel was scattered among the nations.
The promise is that Israel would again be established, and that the Messiah -- our Savior -- would come to them.
This was the hope of the ages, the point upon which salvation rested. Christ's coming to purchase the redemption price and offer cleansing to all.
The key issue is SALVATION (not a temporal kingdom) though had Israel accepted Christ they would have reaped rich temporal blessings and a far greater "gathering" than what took place.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
This is what Christ came to this earth to do.
This is SALVATION through Christ.
It was first offered to the Jewish nation at the end of the 490 years, and would have elevated them to being the city on a hill shining the light of salvation to the world.
But God's purposes weren't dependant upon them -- His purposes will be fulfilled in and by God's church -- the light of salvation will shine throughout the world.
Had Israel, returning from exile back then, to their desolated land, followed God, these promises would have been literally fulfilled, (they were partially fulfilled, as far as God could fulfil them to a half-hearted people) But God's purposes will be fulfilled in the end -- in a much bigger way.
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it. (Ezekiel 36:22-36)
The nature of the true Israel must also be borne in mind.
"Therefore as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God, and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ. Romans 8:14-17. "And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Gal.3: 29.
With this explanation, let's reread the texts. God promises to take His people from among the heathen, and bring them into their own land. The land which belongs to the people of God is not part of "this present evil world," from which they are delivered by the death of Christ (Gal.1:4), and Christ plainly says, "my kingdom is not of this world". (John 18:36) So we look for the country to which Abraham looked, "that is, an heavenly." Heb. 11: 14-16.
In gathering His people from among the heathen, to bring them into their own land, God sprinkles clean water, even the pure water of life, upon His people, to cleanse them from all their iniquities. "The blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses, us from all sin" (1 John 1:7), and the Spirit and the water and the blood agree in one. 1 John 5:8. The clean water with which God sprinkles His people as He gathers them is the blood of Christ.
This cleansing is a thorough one, and since the filthiness which we have contracted among the heathen permeates us completely our cleansing involves an entirely new creation. God has to give us a new heart, for out of the heart are the issues of life. "If any man be in Christ there is a new creation." He promises to put His Spirit in us, so that we shall walk in His statutes, and keep His commandments; for the law is spiritual. Then, says God, "ye shall be My people, and I will be your God."
Compare this with the promise of the new covenant (Jer.31: 33, 34 and Hebrews ),
The heathen will see the fulfilment of God's promise to Abraham and his Seed, (if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed) for they will all come up and surround the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, after it comes down from God out of heaven. Rev. 20: 7-9. The people of God, redeemed from all their enemies, even from the last and greatest enemy, death, will go forth from the New Jerusalem over the renewed earth, and build cities and inhabit them, and plant vineyards and eat the fruit of them. Isa.65: 17-23.
It is true that before they go forth the wicked will be destroyed in the fire that renews the earth; but the heathen will nevertheless know that the Lord builds the waste and desolate and ruined cities, for they will see the proof of it in the New Jerusalem, which will stand upon the site of the old city, only greatly enlarged.
Now comes the most comforting assurance that our unworthiness has nothing to do with the case. It is not for our sakes, but for His own sake, that the Lord forgives our sins. "I even I am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." Isa. 53: 25.
(and no this is not private interpretation, this is what Adventist pioneers taught)
I --THE--LORD-- HAVE--SPOKEN--IT--AND--I--WILL-- DO--IT
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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SOP states clearly-- "Some have thought it an evidence of intellectual keenness and superiority to perplex minds in regard to what is truth. They resort to subtlety of argument, to playing upon words; they take unjust advantage in asking questions. When their questions have been fairly answered, they will turn the subject [and] bring up another point to avoid acknowledging the truth. We should beware of indulging the spirit which controlled the Jews." (Testimonies to Ministers, p.108-109)Go ahead Dedication, continue to believe that God will not continue with His promise to return the Holy land to His people (The Israel of Today).And just maybe you can convince many here and elsewhere that God is done with His promises for the land of Israel, but at what cost? I dare say--your own soul.. In very short time, in fact maybe months we'll see what happens-- see our latest post-- World War III is at the Door
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Re: A study of Zechariah-8 (Part 1 of 2)
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When God gives His people the "Holy Land" it will indeed be HOLY, made new with all traces of sin gone forever, after the 1000 years, not before.
It is at that time, just before the earth is made new
the "great war" of Gog and Magog takes place (The fulfilment of Ez. 38)
Rev. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
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