Why do you keep asking if there is storage of the literal molecules? Do you believe that God does this?

Remember, your character is being daguerreotyped [photographed] by the great Master Artist in the record books of heaven, as minutely as the face is reproduced upon the polished plate of the artist. What do the books of heaven say in your case? {TSB 62.1}

Our personal identity is preserved in the resurrection, though not the same particles of matter or material substance as went into the grave. The wondrous works of God are a mystery to man. The spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved. In the resurrection every man will have his own character. God in His own time will call forth the dead, giving again the breath of life, and bidding the dry bones live. The same form will come forth, but it will be free from disease and every defect. It lives again bearing the same individuality of features, so that friend will recognize friend. There is no law of God in nature which shows that God gives back the same identical particles of matter which composed the body before death. God shall give the righteous dead a body that will please Him. {Hvn 40.1}

Let's refresh our memories...


You started out by emphasizing that the BODY is what is being redeemed. Then you shifted the emphasis from the body to the PATTERN which will be used to reconstitute the body.

Then you ask, "Where is this pattern written down?" This is in reference to the pattern that will be used to resurrect the saved. This is the pattern that accurately describes the essence of each individual.

Then, your mind was boggled:
The thought that such a pattern can contain more than physical characteristics is incomprehensible to you. It boggles your mind to contemplate that there may be things that transcend physical elements.

So I ask you the question you posed: Where is this pattern written down? If it is limited to physical elements, where is it written down?

"...your character is being daguerreotyped [photographed] by the great Master Artist in the record books of heaven..." Are you expecting physical books of paper? That's a lot of paper. Per person.

"The spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved." What physical system does God use to store spirit/character?

You are hell-bent on propagating the idea that everything "real" is physical. So, where is our real spirit/character stored?

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The body is made up of what? Dirt. But it is the pattern in which the dirt if assembled that makes you. Each person has their own unique pattern, and it is not static. Yes, where is the unique pattern written upon every nerve, every muscle, every faculty which has been entrusted to man? fill in the blank:_____________________.

The thought that you imply that there is something like a separate soul is incomprehensible to me. Do you believe in a separate soul? I don't Do we live if we do not have a body as most Chrisendom believes? I don't. "We are dust", does that offend you? Does anything live on when the body dies? Nope.
What did you answer above? Or did you not figure out an answer? Where is the unique pattern that each individual has recorded? And in the resurrection, that pattern can easily be reproduced by God, do you disagree?

I have been understanding your questions about say "Adam" as implying where is the pattern stored in death. That is not an issue for God and I do not know how He stores it as it has not been revealed. It is not the same individual particles of matter that is important in the resurrection, it is the PATTERN in which they are assembled that matters. But if you are speaking about living individuals today, then the answer is simple. And guess what, disrupt the pattern and the organism changes or dies.

APL,

If God does not use literal molecules to store our spirit/character, what does He use to store them for the return trip to Himself, and for preserving them? Are figurative molecules used for this? Perhaps the "books" in heaven are not exactly like the books we have here. As you are fond of asking, what is the mechanism for the storage and transportation of spirit/character?

You don't know how God stores it, yet you are dogmatic about how He does not store it. Perhaps it would be wise to be a little more circumspect on topics of which you are admittedly ignorant. Setting yourself up as an authority on things not revealed by God makes you seem arrogant and proud, which I am sure you are not in real life.

If you somehow got this pattern and somehow assembled the particles of matter correctly, do you think you would have something more than an intricately detailed pile of dirt? Would you then have a living being? Or would you need something more than that to actually have life?

I see you have ignored the EGW quotes and the scripture verses quoted. Do you not believe that God preserves our identity? Is there a separate soul?

I don't know how God preserves our identity in death, but He does. Do you disagree with the EGW quotes? But that is in death. In life, I know where the pattern is, you don't? Do you think it is some sort of separate soul?
Like what? A separate soul? Do you believe in a separate soul?
Do you know what the "books" are? God preserves our identity in the resurrection, but it does not depend on the exact sames particles of matter, it is the PATTERN in which they are assembled. God knows the pattern. There is no separate soul. Do you believe in a separate soul?

That is your most factual statement so far. If we all kept that in mind at all times, the discussion would be clearer. Most of your other statements are little more than Red Herrings.


Is a PATTERN a physical construct, made of physical particles? Or is it a concept, a set of information, that is not dependent on a specific type of medium for storage? Could it even be something stored in a spiritual entity such as God?

But you have admitted that you don't know the facts. Whatever your answers might be, they are mere conjectures. I ask these not to glean information from you, but to help the open-minded reader consider the vast array of possibilities that exist beyond the confines of human knowledge. The fact that some eager zealots will not refrain from marginalizing and even persecuting those who do not share their narrow opinions must not deter us from searching for truth.

Do you feel better now asygo? Are YOU done percecuting? Are you even open minded enough to consider possibilities? Are you searching for truth? Are you blind to the possibilities that nature can reveal truths?

We are God's workmanship. Are we just God's imagination? Are we real or just a hologram?

No, I do not claim to know nor have I ever stated that I know how God preserves our identity in death nor how He resurrects the dead and never have. What I do know is that there is no separate soul apart from the body. Do you believe in a separate soul? I see you have no answer. I see the body and its parts and how they work.

Sin is the cause of all sickness, aging, disease and death. It is a solemn truth that it is sin that causes death. And if we see in nature something that causes all these things, then do the math. What is interesting is that the accusers of others of being narrow may be even narrower in their oppinions. But we do not need to share their narrowness in our search for truth.

APL,

The above is uncalled for. Arnold has been very fair and reasonable with you. For example, just a few posts ago he said:



But are you going to abuse his merciful attitude toward you by being unmerciful toward him?

Consider well these things.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.