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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
[Re: Rosangela]
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Genesis 15:6 And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
Isaiah 64:6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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Arnold, thank you for sharing quotes you believe plainly say the fruit of abiding in Jesus is stained with sin and selfishness and is unacceptable to the Father without the purifying, cleansing, meritorious blood and righteousness of Jesus.
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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It is not my place to tell you how to believe. "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." I will never accuse you of twisting things. I believe you are a genuine, faithful, devoted friend and follower of Jesus. Although I disagree with you on this point, I know in my heart you are a good man. I have no doubt you will enter the kingdom of God with the blessed saints.
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. But if you find error in me, I would appreciate it if you point it out. We may end up disagreeing anyway, but that's ok.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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Well, regarding Isaiah 64:6 please consider the following insights: The prophet Hosea had pointed out what constitutes the very essence of Pharisaism, in the words, "Israel is an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself." Hosea 10:1. In their professed service to God, the Jews were really working for self. Their righteousness was the fruit of their own efforts to keep the law according to their own ideas and for their own selfish benefit. Hence it could be no better than they were. In their endeavor to make themselves holy, they were trying to bring a clean thing out of an unclean. The law of God is as holy as He is holy, as perfect as He is perfect. It presents to men the righteousness of God. It is impossible for man, of himself, to keep this law; for the nature of man is depraved, deformed, and wholly unlike the character of God. The works of the selfish heart are "as an unclean thing;" and "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." Isaiah 64:6. {MB 54.1}
This robe, woven in the loom of heaven, has in it not one thread of human devising. Christ in His humanity wrought out a perfect character, and this character He offers to impart to us. "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." Everything that we of ourselves can do is defiled by sin. But the Son of God was "manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin." Sin is defined to be "the transgression of the law." But Christ was obedient to every requirement of the law. He said of Himself, "I delight to do Thy will, O My God; yea, Thy law is within My heart." When on earth He said to His disciples, "I have kept My Father's commandments." By His perfect obedience, He has made it possible for every human being to obey God's commandments. When we submit ourselves to Christ the heart is united with His heart; the will is merged in His will; the mind becomes one with His mind; the thoughts are brought into captivity to Him; we live His life. This is what it means to be clothed with the garment of His righteousness. Then, as the Lord looks upon us, He sees, not the fig-leaf garment, not the nakedness and deformity of sin, but His own robe of righteousness, which is perfect obedience to the law of Jehovah. {ST, November 22, 1905 par. 5} She contrasts "all our righteousnesses" and "perfect obedience". They are not one and the same thing. "When we submit ourselves to Christ the heart is united with His heart; the will is merged in His will; the mind becomes one with His mind; the thoughts are brought into captivity to Him; we live His life." It's hard for me to conclude the fruit of living "His life" is stained with sin and selfishness.
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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It's hard for me to conclude the fruit of living "His life" is stained with sin and selfishness. I understand. What you conclude instead is that living "His life" is defiled because it lacks His merit. Right?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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Yes, His meritorious blood and righteousness purifies and cleanses the fruit of abiding in Jesus making it acceptable to the Father.
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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Somewhere in the Minitry of Healing I read that what counts in the final judgment is if we are moving in the right direction, obviously meaning that it is His meritorious blood and righteousness that purifies and cleanses. . .
Have you seen that statement in the MH?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character?
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Psalm 103 King James Version (KJV)
103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.
7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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