So the Adventist Pioneers knowing all this history, got it wrong, with no reproof from the SOP. In fact, EGW listed U. Smith's book with several of hers as having special importance. And you say she was wrong and the pioneers were wrong. Time will tell who was right. It might not be long...

Daniel and Revelation, Great Controversy, Patriarchs and Prophets, and Desire of Ages should now go to the world. The grand instruction contained in Daniel and Revelation has been eagerly perused by many in Australia. This book has been the means of bringing many precious souls to a knowledge of the truth. Everything that can be done should be done to circulate Thoughts on Daniel and Revelation. I know of no other book that can take the place of this one. It is God's helping hand.--MS 76, 1901. {PM 356.2}

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In The Desire of Ages, Patriarchs and Prophets, The Great Controversy, and in Daniel and the Revelation, there is precious instruction. These books must be regarded as of special importance, and every effort should be made to get them before the people.--Letter 229, 1903. {CM 123.2}

The light given was that Thoughts on Daniel and the Revelation, The Great Controversy, and Patriarchs and Prophets, would make their way. They contain the very message the people must have, the special light God had given His people. The angels of God would prepare the way for these books in the hearts of the people.-- Special Instruction Regarding Royalties, p. 7. (1899) {CM 123.3}

I am a student of Bible prophecy and of the Spirit of Prophecy.

It is written:
"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. " (1Co 13:12)

If you don't read it the same way that I read it you won't come to the same conclusions.

It is akin to the Adventists that declared Jesus was coming in 1843. They were wrong. The kept studying and decided that He was coming in 1844. Wrong. Then they decided that Jesus had commenced the IJ in 1844. And of course they were right, but could not prove it except by faith in the Scriptures. So as far as the world that had seen their errors in 1843 and 1844 was concerned, the IJ was another prophecy gone wrong.

I have been on the right prophetic track for years, but just did not have all the info to nail it down until I understood that Pope Benedict would not be pope in 2013.

If I had studied harder and prayed more, I could have nailed it down more before the fact. But I was content to understand the limited amount that I understood at the time.

Then when it happened I could not understand Francis I. But with continued prayer and study, I can affirm what I have partially understood, I now understand more fully.

Iran will attack America's fleet in the Gulf, Obama will "return" and do exploits against the Covenant: America's constitution? And God's Covenant: the Ten Commandments.

It may not happen in June 2015. But it will happen SOON and Obama is the last President that I have identified in Bible prophecy; unless there is something that is yet to be understood from Daniel and Revelation.

I can only witness as to what I understand now. And if Daniel and Revelation fulfill themselves in the endtime differently than I understand them now, I pray for the ability to discern their fulfillment and up-date my views accordingly.

This post of EGW's comments about her husband has nothing to do with the KOTN. The entire quote in context has been made available by "Ellen G. White Estate Washington, D. C. May 2, 1985. Entire Letter" It is in the 1888 materials.

Around 1888 GC President Butler was circulating things that were not in agreement with Waggoner and Jones and he was not allowing them the opportunity to circulate anything in our papers that challenged his opinion. Thus Ellen was using her husband as an example to Butler to have him stop promoting his private interpretation and if he was to persist, then he should exercise Christian courtesy to allow others to give rebuttal.

The KOTN is definitely not Rome.

I agree with that statement.



I'd say it this way: Now that America has become corrupted by the Supreme Court's departing from the simplicity of the gospel, and accepting heathen rites and customs [like gay marriage], she has lost the Spirit and power of God; and in order to control the consciences of the people she will seek the support of the secular power.

When the papacy arose to power in the 30-years from 508-538 its allies plucked up three Arian powers (Visogoths [508], Vandals, and Ostrogoths [538]). America with its allies have plucked up two Islamic powers (Afghanistan & Iraq with Iran to be the third).

Thus I'm studying Reagan's interaction with Iran to see if there is a corresponding date in 2015 that might foreshadow when the #IranUSwar is to begin.

July 3 is the anniversary of the USS Vincennes downing of Iran Air Airbus A300 civilian airliner over Iranian airspace in the Strait of Hormuz, killing all 290 passengers and crew on board. And Iran is mostly Shia Islam. They commemorate deaths more than births or happy holidays. So I'll continue to watch until the KOTN (Obama's fleet) is attacked by the KOTS (Iran) and when it happens; President Obama will do exploits against the Covenant (US Constitution and/or Ten Commandments).

That is where I know we are in the prophetic history of Daniel 11 (vss. 30-39) with 40-44 having been fulfilled as they explain what has led up to 11:30.

Blessings dedication,

Very interesting post.

I do believe the king of the south may have been represented by Islam at certain times, but, we shouldn't use Islam to define who God's people are.

I don't believe the literal nation of Israel or the city of Jerusalem represent the Glorious Land anymore. That ended in the first century A.D. when the Gospel went to the Gentiles.

Nice we agree on one part!



"Apostate" protestant America will play a very important part in joining with the papacy and following papal ways and teachings and using the political and military might of America to support the Papal agenda.

The KOTN in the time of the end is a religious confederation under one head.



The Iran US war .... or more commonly referred to as the coming World War III

While the US is the leading military might on the side of the KOTN, the war against Radical Muslims will not only be conducted by the USA -- but by a confederacy. The news is full of reports of people looking to the papacy to "bring peace", and a call of uniting religiously as well as military to combat the threat.

"The main Vatican UN diplomat, Italian Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, has called for armed resistance to ISIS in a document presented to the UN Human Rights Council."

In another report we read:
"The Muslims want to kill the Pope, they want to conquer Rome and destroy all of the lands of Christianity. This reality brings us to one realization: we are returning back to history, in which Islam arose to invade and conquer Christendom, and to vanquish and obliterate the Vatican.
This leads us to another realization: the Crusades are coming back, and that means a strong Church — which is the true Church — is going to arise from the weak and crumbling ruins of the decayed church of the masses."

All I can say is "Wow!"

The second half of Daniel 11 shows THREE great conflicts between Christendom (KOTN) and the Muslims (KOTS). The first was in the years following 600 AD. The second was in the middle ages with the crusades, the third is coming.

This last war will be terrible -- and I don't think it's just centered on Obama. It's a religious war. Obama may be history as US president in next year's election and a strong religious republican may take the reigns in America who fully throws his weight and influence and the countries military might behind the papal agenda.
Also in this religious union will be Europeans and even moderate Muslims.

It may not even be Pope Francis who is pope through the whole "war" (though he is working to get this unity together to oppose the radical Muslims) He has this great premonition that he will die at the hands of the Muslims. This supposedly in fulfilment with the Fatima prophecies that predict the Catholic church and papacy will suffer greatly before victory, but then a pope is said to arise to lead the world to peace.



We are definitely at the crucial point in the prophetic history of Daniel 11.
Verses 30-36 outline the middle ages crusades and the Vatican's contempt for "the covenant" especially the Sabbath.

We are told this history will repeat.
Verses 40-45 is that repeat -- and it's shaping up in rapid leaps and bounds.

That goes to show that the Lord is not done with us yet. He is still in the Sanctuary and there is hope that we might be in one accord.

The brethren and sisters just focus too much on the papacy. It is as if they never have read:



As I read Daniel, Revelation, and the Spirit of Prophecy. Obama's protestant America is the persecuting power that has taken the papacy's place to wage war against God's people.



The last power to wage war against God's people is America. And it is the last power identified as antichrist that unites with Satan's forces in the last great conflict. Thus Obama's America is the KOTN described in Daniel 11:30.

But do you agree there is the possibility the two are not connected? And if there is a possibility of either one, how does one choose?

I'm cluing in on, "yet". While such word, "yet", doesn't appear to be in the Hebrew, all the versions I find, except YLT, indicate future, for some reason. Regardless of "yet", there still is the part, "at that time". Which time is spoken of? Again, the versions I see, show the second part of v. 45 as a clause or a separate sentence. So I would say, it is indeed fair to separate the two. At the very least, one shouldn't be faulted for separating sentences the same as many translators have, whether they did it correctly or incorrectly.


But do you agree, it turned out not to be about Turkey? They were trying to make scripture fit in with what they thought was the end of their time. If their time was the end, then all prophecies had to be finished, so they did their best to fit them in. However, their time was not the end.

Likewise, if someone thinks their time is the end, they will do everything to make prophecy fit in whether it is with Obama or whomever.

Do you like maple syrup with your waffles?

NO, I think they are connected, and the pioneers did too. AT Jones: In the words of the angel, "He shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." The "glorious holy mountain" can be no other place than Jerusalem, which is even now called in the Turkish and Arabic "the holy." It is certain, therefore, that the seat of the Ottoman Empire will be removed from Constantinople, and will finally be planted in Jerusalem, and then it is just as certain that that power comes to an end. {May 16, 1896 LTNe, GCB 692.1}

Daniel 12:1 - And at that time... What time? I think Daniel 11:45 tells us.

AT Jones in his book, The Marshalling of the Nations

Now this eleventh chapter of Daniel is a sketch of the history from the beginning of the reign of Darius the Mede until the time of the setting up of the kingdom of God, as is shown by the words of the last verses of the eleventh chapter and the first few verses of the twelfth. ...

So, when we come to the fortieth verse of the eleventh of Daniel, we are not reading of affairs away back in the days of the empire of Greece, nor of the affairs of Rome, but of affairs down here at "the time of the end," as mentioned in the thirty-fifth verse. Other verses also show the same thing. And bear in mind that the king of the South is always in Egypt, and the king of the North is always the power occupying the territory of which Constantinople is the center. And all the world knows that since 1453 A. D., the territory of which Constantinople is the center, has been held and ruled by the Turks. Then the king of the North at the time of the end is the Turkish dominion.

Now, the last verse of the eleventh chapter of Daniel, speaking of the king of the North, the power controlling the territory of which Constantinople is the center, says, "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

For fifty years or more the world has been expecting the end of Turkey to come. The existence of the Turkish nation has been all this time, and is to-day, due to the common consent of the great powers of Europe. ..."

So, the reason that Turkey abides there is that the peace of Christendom may be preserved, and to avoid a general war among these mighty nations. ..."

Now what says the Scripture?—"He shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Constantinople is "between the seas;" but there is no "glorious holy mountain" there. What one place on the earth could be referred to in the Bible by the term ‘the glorious holy mountain’?—Jerusalem, to be sure, Jerusalem alone. ..."

So, then, when the Word says that ‘he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain,’ it means that he will move his palace from Constantinople to Jerusalem. What then?—‘Yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.’ That is what the Turks, and the mighty powers, and the people of the nations, all expect.

And what then?—‘And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time.’ And that is exactly what all the great powers, and the people of God, expect. ...

... The drying up of the waters of the Euphrates means the setting aside of the power that holds the territory in that part of the earth that is drained by the river Euphrates.

In the midst of all this, the wiping out of Turkey, the marshaling of the nations—the kings of the West and the East—to the battle of the great day, the warning is given that the Lord is coming. All of these things are but the tokens of the coming of the Lord. These world-movements of the great nations are but the marshaling of those mighty nations preparatory to their coming up to the battle of that great day. And at that time the “great voice” will be uttered from the heavenly temple from the throne, announcing the end in the words, “It is done.” And at that time every one shall be delivered whose name is found written in the book.

Is your name in the book of life? That is the question, the question of all questions—now, as never before in the world. Salvation from sin is always a mighty thing, but salvation from sin to-day is doubly a mighty thing, because it is salvation from sin, and salvation from destruction at the coming of the Lord. It is deliverance from the guilt and the power of sin, and it is deliverance from the fearful destruction that comes upon the nations because of their iniquities. {The Marshaling of the Nations, pages 28-39}

Jones also brings out in his book “The Great Nations of Today” how the first four trumpets constitute the breaking up of the western Roman Empire, and the fifth and sixth trumpets represent the overthrow of the eastern Roman Empire by the Ottoman Empire, and the seventh trumpet represents the destruction of all nations, and the setting up of God’s eternal kingdom.

So if the fifth trumpet, the 1st woe, found in Revelation 8:13 to Revelation 9:11, dealt with the Muslim power, and the sixth trumpet, the 2nd woe, found in Revelation 9:12 to Revelation 11:14, dealt with the Muslim power, doesn’t it seem logical that the seventh trumpet, the 3rd woe, found in Revelation 11:15-19, would also deal with the Muslim power?