I do believe SDA's need to understand these things and I hope they accept them.

Interesting analogy His child.

But, as I understand your statement, we should be watching God's people, not the world. Because only what was happening with Noah and the Ark were the only signs worth watching!

That is what Daniel 11:45 is telling us. When we see the events described, then we know what is happening in the Heavenly Sanctuary.

I was referring to the Supreme court decision that they issued in June making gay marriage the law of the land. This action effectively declared independence from God's divine plan.

So people make up their own interpretations saying "This has to happen then we will know probation is about to close".

Yet, we know from reading many prophetic passages that ancient prophets do not write with strict sequence, but announce a conclusion then go back and fill in details.

Now -- if we regard that fact, we realize that waiting for some human interpretation of the last part of Daniel 11:45 to happen before we think probation will close, may very well find people still WAITING when in actuality their "sign" that they were waiting for was all wrong and it is too late.


TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.

That is the scriptural truth.

The prophecy in Daniel 11:40-45
alerts us to the religious wars that will take place
this benefits God's people because no matter which
religious/political tyrant is forcing religion THEY WILL ALL COME TO THEIR END.

Don't be bullied by religious/political powers to turn away from your allegiance to Christ -- HE WILL DELIVER HIS PEOPLE.

Apparently you do not take what the Adventist Pioneers wrote as having any significance. That is your choice of course. See Haskell, "The Story of Daniel the Prophet", page 241, paragraph 1. NOTE - you can say we are waiting for an event before acting, but that is not what is being said. Now is the time to act, for when probation does close, it will be too late. The roll that Haskell and most of the pioneers hold for Daniel 11:45 is to give encouragement to the believers.

What did Christ say? Matthew 24:15-16 When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

The Christians knew the fall of Jerusalem was about to happen. We may not know the exact people which will fulfill Daniel 11:45, the pioneers did not believe it was the Papacy, but when the event happens, we will know what is going on. And the final events can start suddenly, and will progress rapidly.

I do find it interesting that in this case the interpretation of U. Smith and those who accepted his interpretation, are presented as of utmost importance, but when it comes to the trumpets and the reapplication of time periods these same pioneers are discarded and their writings treated as having no significance.

Whereas I accept their basic outline of the prophecy and only disagree on a few details within that outline.

And there were Adventist pioneers who DID believe the King of the North was the papacy.





By the way -- the sign to flee has nothing to do with Turkey.
It has everything to do with Sunday observance.

When the Roman idolatrous standard is erected in the holy place, it is time to flee.
That idolatrous standard is enforced Papal Sunday observance.


“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand), then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains.” [Matthew 24:15, 16; Luke 21:20.] When the idolatrous standards of the Romans should be set up in the holy ground, which extended some furlongs outside the city walls, then the followers of Christ were to find safety in flight. GC 26

The time is not far distant, when, like the early disciples, we shall be forced to seek a refuge in desolate and solitary places. As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman armies was the signal for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption of power on the part of our nation, in the decree enforcing the papal Sabbath, will be a warning to us. It will then be time to leave the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains. And now, instead of seeking expensive dwellings here, we should be preparing to move to a better country, even a heavenly. Instead of spending our means in self-gratification, we should be studying to economize.-- Testimonies, vol. 5, pp. 464, 465.

Who? James White called it "Rome". He did not call it the Papacy. Who called it the Papacy in Daniel 11:40-45? Daniel 11:45 sets the world up for the Papacy. And then there will be a time of trouble...

When Pioneers spoke of Rome that included the papacy.

James White made it perfectly clear in his writings that when the prophecies of Daniel 2,7 and 8 ended with Rome that included Papal Rome which followed after Pagan Rome.

Thus indeed -- in all consistency he maintained that last power in Daniel 11 was Rome (in it's papal form).

"... the destruction of Jerusalem in A. D. 70, followed by the great tribulation of the Christian Church for more than sixteen hundred years, under Pagan and Papal Rome. {1877 James White, LELJB 299.4}

"The next phase presented by Rome after the Pagan form was the Papal. Rome Papal succeeded Rome Pagan. . {ND James White, OFAH 44.2}

"The Roman or iron power, through the influence and authority of Papacy, or Papal Rome, stretched itself among the clay so as to be mixed with it, and thereby kept up the strength of iron. {1855 James White, FUMP 7.5}

" the Roman Church, while it has mingled with all nations, has not mixed with them, but has kept up its authority over its subjects, under whatever government they may have been located; so that the authority of Rome has been felt by all the nations where her subjects have been "mingled with the seed of men." The fourth, or Roman kingdom is thus perpetuated, though divided. {1855 JW, FUMP 8.1}

"Now comes the inquiry, "Watchman, what of the night?" In what period of prophecy are we now?...Nearly fourteen hundred years. Almost fourteen hundred years we have traveled down in the divided state of the Roman empire. Where does the stone strike the image? "Upon his feet." Where are we now? In the feet. {1855 JW, FUMP 18.2}

(Referring to Daniel 8) To avoid the application of this prophecy to the Roman power, pagan and papal, the Papists have changed it from Rome to Antiochus Epiphanes, a Syrian king, who could not resist the mandates of Rome. {1870 JW, OFH1 113.2}


Thus when James White compares the ending of all these prophecy and asks for consistency for Daniel 11, he is speaking of Papal Rome