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The 'Time of Trouble', how long? #177827
11/07/15 08:55 AM
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I was checking some facts on some sites and came across this ...'Following the close of probation will be a "time of trouble," a brief but intense period of time immediately preceding the second coming of Jesus Christ. Adventists have traditionally believed that the Roman Catholic Church will return to prominence during the end times, fulfilling the prophecy of the first beast of Revelation 13'.... but the graph they gave showed it as centuries instead of a short time.
Seventh-day Adventist eschatology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In my thinking its a very short time in terms of weeks or months, in which the righteous are sealed and the Holy Spirit is withdrawn and the wicked no longer drawn from sin, then Christ comes....

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Rick H] #177848
11/08/15 03:10 AM
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I think that whoever wrote that Wikipedia article, mixed up two different understandings of Revelation 13.

Adventists generally believe the 42 months noted in Rev. 13, were the 1260 years of Roman Catholic rule prior to the wound, and ended in 1798.
Once the wound heals it will be a short (undefined) time.

Many Christians believe the 42 months are literal and that they relate to the last day tribulation. Of course telling someone with that belief that they are 1260 years would be confusing.

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Rick H] #177887
11/09/15 05:42 PM
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Wikipedia should not be relied upon as a definitive source of information.
There are too many biased contributors with their hands in the cookie jar.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Rick H] #177991
11/12/15 10:34 AM
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Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large, will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that Jesus’ work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there is finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the sins of Israel upon the head of the Scape Goat. Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues will come upon the wicked, and they do not come till Jesus puts on that garment, and takes His place upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are falling, the Scape Goat is being led away. He makes a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that leads him. If he should effect his escape, Israel would lose their lives. I saw that it would take time to lead away the Scape Goat into the land of forgetfulness after the sins were put on his head. {SpM 2.1} (bold emphasis mine)


About four months since, I had a vision of events, all in the future. And I saw the time of trouble, such as never was,—Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob’s trouble, and that we should be delivered out of it by the voice of God. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four Angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion. Then we cried to God for deliverance day and night till we began to hear the bells on Jesus’ garment. And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of bells, and knew our High Priest was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God which shook the heavens and earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. Then the saints were free, united and full of the glory of God, for he had turned their captivity. And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood and he laid off his priestly garment and put on his kingly robe, took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east where it first appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the Son of Man. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the east which took a number of days, the Synagogue of Satan worshiped at the saints feet. {DS March 14, 1846, par. 2}


We know this much time will pass during Jacob's Time of Trouble and during the seven last plagues.

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Alchemy] #177992
11/12/15 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large, will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that Jesus’ work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there is finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the sins of Israel upon the head of the Scape Goat. Then He will put on the garments of vengeance. Then the plagues will come upon the wicked, and they do not come till Jesus puts on that garment, and takes His place upon the great white cloud. Then while the plagues are falling, the Scape Goat is being led away. He makes a mighty struggle to escape, but he is held fast by the hand that leads him. If he should effect his escape, Israel would lose their lives. I saw that it would take time to lead away the Scape Goat into the land of forgetfulness after the sins were put on his head. {SpM 2.1} (bold emphasis mine)


About four months since, I had a vision of events, all in the future. And I saw the time of trouble, such as never was,—Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob’s trouble, and that we should be delivered out of it by the voice of God. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four Angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion. Then we cried to God for deliverance day and night till we began to hear the bells on Jesus’ garment. And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of bells, and knew our High Priest was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God which shook the heavens and earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. Then the saints were free, united and full of the glory of God, for he had turned their captivity. And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood and he laid off his priestly garment and put on his kingly robe, took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east where it first appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the Son of Man. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the east which took a number of days, the Synagogue of Satan worshiped at the saints feet. {DS March 14, 1846, par. 2}


We know this much time will pass during Jacob's Time of Trouble and during the seven last plagues.




I have always felt it would take much like the time during the plagues of Egypt, more of a matter of weeks/months. But many Adventist oppose that view, I don't know why. Anyone have SOP that may shed more light?

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Rick H] #177996
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Rick H wrote;

"I have always felt it would take much like the time during the plagues of Egypt, more of a matter of weeks/months. But many Adventist oppose that view, I don't know why. Anyone have SOP that may shed more light?"

Intersting point! I had never thought of that idea. And there were ten plagues in Egypt! But, we know none of these seven last plagues are shared by God's people.

As far as why SDA's reject your idea? I don't have idea why. I just never thought about it. But, I will pray about it now.

So far as I know now, Sister White doesn't give any definite times. Just like the two statements I shared, she uses terms like "take time" or "number of days".

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Rick H] #178006
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Could there be two applications of the 1260? Such as 40 years for 40 days?

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Alchemy] #178038
11/14/15 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Rick H wrote;

"I have always felt it would take much like the time during the plagues of Egypt, more of a matter of weeks/months. But many Adventist oppose that view, I don't know why. Anyone have SOP that may shed more light?"

Intersting point! I had never thought of that idea. And there were ten plagues in Egypt! But, we know none of these seven last plagues are shared by God's people.

As far as why SDA's reject your idea? I don't have idea why. I just never thought about it. But, I will pray about it now.

So far as I know now, Sister White doesn't give any definite times. Just like the two statements I shared, she uses terms like "take time" or "number of days".


Like the children of Israel, we wont be hit with the plagues as long as we stay under the protection of the Lord. But I see no need for the plagues to go on for more than a few days or weeks, to say nothing of months or years...

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Rick H] #178087
11/15/15 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Rick H wrote;

"I have always felt it would take much like the time during the plagues of Egypt, more of a matter of weeks/months. But many Adventist oppose that view, I don't know why. Anyone have SOP that may shed more light?"

Intersting point! I had never thought of that idea. And there were ten plagues in Egypt! But, we know none of these seven last plagues are shared by God's people.

As far as why SDA's reject your idea? I don't have idea why. I just never thought about it. But, I will pray about it now.

So far as I know now, Sister White doesn't give any definite times. Just like the two statements I shared, she uses terms like "take time" or "number of days".


Like the children of Israel, we wont be hit with the plagues as long as we stay under the protection of the Lord. But I see no need for the plagues to go on for more than a few days or weeks, to say nothing of months or years...


I think you make an interesting point!

Satan is bound. The ten horns need to burn the harlot. There really isn't a lot left to take place at that point and events are supposed to be rapid ones.

I still think it could take some months at most. Really just a feeling more than anything.

Re: The 'Time of Trouble', how long? [Re: Rick H] #178088
11/15/15 08:51 AM
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Would Revelation 18 be applicable to the duration of the Time of Trouble?
If the day/year principle fits here, the seven last plagues should last for one year.


"Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her." Revelation 18:8


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
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