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Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt #178384
11/22/15 09:53 PM
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As we need to determine whether all the claims made by Ron Wyatt are true or false, we need to examine each and everyone of those claims.

We should search for the truth in regards to whether they are true or not.

The only proper way to do this is to examine the claims he made in his own words, be it in writing or on video. I say video, as I discovered that there are videos of his claims by Ron Wyatt himself on You Tube.

Let the examination begin.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178385
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Let us begin by examining his claims regarding the Ark of the Covenant.

Here is a You Tube link that I am in the process of watching:


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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178388
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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178395
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I have long believed in Ron Wyatt's claims on the Red Sea Crossing and the location of Mt. Sinai.

But, I have never believed his claims on the Ark of the Covenant and Noah's Ark.

Now, I have long believed that Sodom and the other cities destroyed by God were at or around the Dead Sea, but, that was because of the high salt content and location. It had nothing to do with Ron Wyatt. Although, I do agree with him on that as well, or maybe I should say he agrees with me.

But, this is not much a matter of my faith in God. If it turned out that Sodom was actually in another location, I would be fine with that.

Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: APL] #178411
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One of his claims is that blood ran down through a crack in the rock onto the lid.

How much blood/water are expected in such a dehydrated person?

Given an assumed position of the exit from Christ's body, what's the maximum amount of blood that could on average be expected to fall into the crack?

What is the maximum amount of depth through dry rock that that amount of blood could flow?

Are not these questions relevant for considering / before considering the possibility of such of his claims?

Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178416
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I need to watch both videos before commenting further.


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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178418
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There is more questions about the blood. How did it survive 2000 years? Was there no rain that would follow the same track through the ground washing the site of the blood? And is there any evidence that any human could live with 24 chromosomes? This is direct against the evidence of the Bible in which Hebrews says he was made just like His brothers. And where is the blood now? Why can no one else test it? This is just one claim. Wyatt was a fraud.


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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178423
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If Jesus had only 24 chromosomes, He did not "come in the flesh".


"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." 1John 4:1-3

Ron Wyatt did not provide any samples, when requested. His only evidence was anecdotal. I believe he was a gifted con man.


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Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178424
11/24/15 09:13 AM
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It is true that the Noah's Ark Ron Wyatt found had been tried and tested before Ron Wyatt git there. George Vandeman from the SDA Church traveled to Turkey to check this site. He was there when the Turkish authorities blew two holes in it with dynamite.

So, I don't believe Ron Wyatt is a fraud, but, he wasn't as wise a scientist as you would like to have investigating these sites.

Again, I still agree with Ron Wyatt on the Red Sea Crossing and the location of Mt. Sinai. This is the best explanation I have ever heard. The location of the crossing makes the most sense.

So again, I don't believe he was a fraud.

Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: APL] #178425
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Originally Posted By: kland
One of his claims is that blood ran down through a crack in the rock onto the lid.

How much blood/water are expected in such a dehydrated person?

Given an assumed position of the exit from Christ's body, what's the maximum amount of blood that could on average be expected to fall into the crack?

What is the maximum amount of depth through dry rock that that amount of blood could flow?

Are not these questions relevant for considering / before considering the possibility of such of his claims?


All it would take is a few drops to equal the kind of symbolic imagery presented throughout history of the Levitical services. A mere sprinkling. Therefore, I think any amount greater than a few tablespoons would very likely suffice, depending on the length/absorption of the blood in the crack and/or its humidity. In the case that the blood was mixed with water, as scripture attests, then the water could easily be the source of humidity to a certain extent.

Originally Posted By: APL
There is more questions about the blood. How did it survive 2000 years? Was there no rain that would follow the same track through the ground washing the site of the blood? And is there any evidence that any human could live with 24 chromosomes? This is direct against the evidence of the Bible in which Hebrews says he was made just like His brothers. And where is the blood now? Why can no one else test it? This is just one claim. Wyatt was a fraud.


There was an earthquake at the time of Jesus' death. Perhaps an "aftershock" could have resealed the crack later.

Regarding the chromosome count, as a biologist, I would have to say it doesn't matter to me one iota. Gorillas, chimpanzees, mice and hares can all have 48 chromosomes, and live just fine. A carp is said to have 104 chromosomes, and seems much simpler in nature when compared to humans. Bears have 74 chromosomes, and yet we, with a mere 46, get along just fine. Koala bears and kangaroos have 16 chromosomes, but the much-smaller snail has 24. You see, chromosome count has virtually nothing to do with gene count. It's the genes that mean the most, genetically (no pun intended). A chromosome can vary widely in the amount of information it carries.

I see no problem with Jesus having had 24 chromosomes. However, I see no proof of it either. And, as a biologist again, if someone is claiming to have counted 24 chromosomes from a sample of Jesus' blood, they simply show themselves to be ignorant. Red blood cells are non-nucleated in humans, meaning they have ZERO chromosomes.

Originally Posted By: Glenn Cannaday
When Ron Wyatt collected some of this blood from the Ark and had it analyzed, the Israeli scientists were amazed at what they saw! To their astonishment this blood was still alive! The cells were still dividing when they put it in a growth medium. They were also able to get a chromosome count which is not supposed to be possible on dried blood either because it's dead. This blood was different than any human blood ever seen.


Obviously, non-nucleated blood cells don't divide, either. Someone was not a biologist. Blood cells are manufactured in the bone marrow, the only place they can divide. Before they leave the marrow, their nucleus gets ejected so that they have a more compact form and are able to carry a greater amount of oxygen, having more surface area per volume. Birds, with hollow, no-marrow, lightweight bones, have nucleated blood cells that do divide in the bloodstream. Humans are not birds.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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