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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: James Peterson] #182271
01/06/17 04:00 AM
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The Seven Trumpets are intimately related with the Seven Plagues. Unlike what some people think, they are not a recapitulation of the Seven Churches and the Seven Seals.

The Seven Trumpets are given to the Seven Angels (Rev. 8:2), who also carry the seven vials of the plague. Thus we know these angels are the connecting link between the trumpets and the plagues.

God's command to us is "Go, prophesy again" for there is our Intercessor, Jesus Christ.
His command to the Seven Angels is "Go, pour out the vials of plagues" at the close of probation.

The seventh trumpet sounds and it is finished (Rev. 11:15). How can it be finished and still continue towards the seven last plagues? Perhaps you might want to rethink "non-recapitulation".

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What do you think that the Seven Trumpets are sounding about?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182276
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
Originally Posted By: James Peterson
The seventh trumpet sounds and it is finished (Rev. 11:15). How can it be finished and still continue towards the seven last plagues? Perhaps you might want to rethink "non-recapitulation".

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What do you think that the Seven Trumpets are sounding about?

Whatever they sound about, the seventh signifies the end. Thereafter then, there must be some recapitulation in the narrative. Therefore I suggested that you might want to reconsider your dismissive statement.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: James Peterson] #182279
01/07/17 01:54 AM
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The seventh trumpet is announcement of 'the end' but it is not the end. Its blowing goes out for "days": Rev. 10:7 says, "in the DAYS of the voice of the seventh angel..."
In prophetic time, one day equals one year. The voice of the seventh angel goes out for "days" signifies the announcement would be longer than few years.

The seventh trumpet message is: "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever" (Rev. 11:15). Essentially the trumpet is saying or announcing that the close of probation is coming very soon.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182282
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
The seventh trumpet is announcement of 'the end' but it is not the end. Its blowing goes out for "days": Rev. 10:7 says, "in the DAYS of the voice of the seventh angel..."
In prophetic time, one day equals one year. The voice of the seventh angel goes out for "days" signifies the announcement would be longer than few years.

The seventh trumpet message is: "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever" (Rev. 11:15). Essentially the trumpet is saying or announcing that the close of probation is coming very soon.

The narrative then continues with the birth of the Messiah, etc. See Rev. 12 ...

Therefore you are incorrect to dismiss recapitulation.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182286
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
The seventh trumpet is announcement of 'the end' but it is not the end. Its blowing goes out for "days": Rev. 10:7 says, "in the DAYS of the voice of the seventh angel..."
In prophetic time, one day equals one year. The voice of the seventh angel goes out for "days" signifies the announcement would be longer than few years.

The seventh trumpet message is: "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever" (Rev. 11:15). Essentially the trumpet is saying or announcing that the close of probation is coming very soon.

Interesting thought Karen. I'd never noticed the "days" part before in Rev 10:7. Before now I assumed that "days" simply meant a specific time but your view that it spans some months or even years is more likely the correct view.

James says the narrative continues and it does but rather than continuing in chapter 12, the scene is expanded upon in chapter 11 where John, a symbol of the end time church, is told to "prophecy again". The symbolism of the remnant church then takes on the figure of the Two Witnesses who prophesy for 1260 days. This is literal time and we're in this period now. The "days" in Revelation 10 are a part of this time frame. But don't let this comment distract. The everlasting gospel should be our focus.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182292
01/09/17 08:30 PM
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Rev. 10:7 “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

Rev. 11:6-7 “These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”

The seventh angel’s voice begins to sound and will continue to sound until “the mystery of God should be finished”. The mystery of God has been hid from the beginning (Eph. 3:9) but now it is revealed in Christ. “God would open unto us” and “to speak the mystery of Christ” (Col 4:3). God has “declared to his servants the prophets” and we are to prophesy until the mystery of God would be finished. This gospel commission could not be done in a day. Remember Noah’s time. He preached 120 years before the catastrophic flood came.

We are instructed to “Go and take the little book” (Rev. 10:8), which points to Christ, and “Thou must prophesy again” (Rev. 11:11) on a worldwide scale. Jesus’ atoning sacrifice and His mediatorial work in heavenly sanctuary must be re-proclaimed as the two witnesses have done in the past.

They prophesied in sackcloth for 1,260 years (Rev. 11:3) and they have “finished their testimony” (Rev. 11:7). But the Word of God will be illuminated again by His people—the Spirit of God will enter into them—to bring “great fear … which saw them” (Rev. 11:11).

The Seventh-Day Adventists have been preaching this “everlasting gospel” (Rev. 14:6) on a worldwide scale for more than 173 years since 1844 as the seventh trumpet is blasting, saying “the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever” (Rev. 11:15). I believe the power of the Holy Spirit will be poured upon God’s people mightily to finish the mystery of God if we determine to prophesy what is declared in the message of the Seven Trumpets.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182293
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y

We are instructed to “Go and take the little book” (Rev. 10:8), which points to Christ, and “Thou must prophesy again” (Rev. 11:11) on a worldwide scale. Jesus’ atoning sacrifice and His mediatorial work in heavenly sanctuary must be re-proclaimed as the two witnesses have done in the past.

They prophesied in sackcloth for 1,260 years (Rev. 11:3) and they have “finished their testimony” (Rev. 11:7). But the Word of God will be illuminated again by His people—the Spirit of God will enter into them—to bring “great fear … which saw them” (Rev. 11:11).

. . . I believe the power of the Holy Spirit will be poured upon God’s people mightily to finish the mystery of God if we determine to prophesy what is declared in the message of the Seven Trumpets.


I agree Sister. Those who take and eat the little book will be full of the love of Christ, focused on His final mediatorial work and, I agree, they will prophesy again and a central part of their message will be the seven trumpets and seven thunders. These prophecies will, along with the message of Christ our Righteousness, be central to their message. It's these particular, fearful prophecies that will fulfill that portion of Revelation 11 that tells us the witnesses have power to strike the earth with every plague. They can only have this kind of authority when their will is sanctified and under the direction of God's will.

Notice though that this doesn't mean we have at least 3.5 more years. We may be nearer to the end than most of us think.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182294
01/10/17 01:53 AM
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Notice though that this doesn't mean we have at least 3.5 more years. We may be nearer to the end than most of us think.

We are in the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement since 1844: already too far extended.
It has been 173 years and Jesus has not come: approaching nearly 200 years of the judgment day (Day of Atonement).

The Feast of Trumpets were 9 days and the 10th day was the Day of Atonement. Should we multiply 200 years by 10 days(=years) of feast of trumpets? Because comparatively the feast of trumpets were much longer than one day of the judgment. This train of thought leads to think that the trumpets have been sounding since Jesus ascended to heaven 2,000 years ago. Nonetheless, I think of how close we are living in the time of the end even in this method of approaching. I agree, Mark, we are "nearer to the end than most of us think".

The Seven trumpets' message is to prepare us to meet our God and be ready before Jesus finishes His mediatorial work. When He appears the second time, it will be without sin (Heb. 9:28): He will no longer deal with people’s sins if they hadn’t already confessed.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182295
01/10/17 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
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Notice though that this doesn't mean we have at least 3.5 more years. We may be nearer to the end than most of us think.

We are in the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement since 1844: already too far extended.
It has been 173 years and Jesus has not come: approaching nearly 200 years of the judgment day (Day of Atonement).

The Feast of Trumpets were 9 days and the 10th day was the Day of Atonement. Should we multiply 200 years by 10 days(=years) of feast of trumpets?


"It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." --- Jesus of Nazareth, Messiah and Son of God.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: James Peterson] #182297
01/11/17 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
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The Feast of Trumpets were 9 days and the 10th day was the Day of Atonement. Should we multiply 200 years by 10 days(=years) of feast of trumpets?

Sorry to say something brief in this discussion without reading the whole thread. I hope it won't be too out of place.

Karen where do you get that the feast of trumpet lasted 10 days in the Bible? The feast of Trumpet is only a ONE day celebration.

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Because comparatively the feast of trumpets were much longer than one day of the judgment.

Where did you get that the feast of trumpet was a day of judgment. Besides being known as the first day of the year.... I have read that the Feast of trumpet is a resurrection symbolism in the Jewish understanding and custom...by far not a day of judgment. For sure they sounded the trumpets for wars (warning that a day of judgment is coming, however not the DOA type of judgment but a judgment that a King does regularly during the year of His reign when a case is brought to him. )

Also, I fear you have a mis concepts about the DOA as most denominations do also for they read Lev 16 with 3 severely erronous English translations repeated twice in the chapter that I have taken note and shared in this forum. Post #138061 gives the best summary of it.


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