HC, I've read most of this thread but wasn't able to find a post where you summarize your points. Can you do that for me? I'll look at it carefully. I'm looking for scripture that would support your position that Reagan is the head of gold. Why Reagan? Also can you give a summary of how the 70 weeks fit in with end time events and how they relate to the 2300 days. Also can you say why you think they'll be repeated twice in literal time. If they are will the 2300 days also repeat twice?

Regarding time reckoning, the prophetic periods are unrelated to the Babylonian calendar. There is no scriptural basis for this. You are mixing the sacred with the common there.

To the rest of the readers, HC's belief that Obama will have a third term is shared by many Evangelicals who are basing their views on modern prophecies that identify Obama as the anti-christ. There is quite a strong consensus among many Evanglicals who believe these dreams and visions. The progression has been that they first thought there would be no election, that Obama would create a false emergency in order to declare marshal law and suspend the election. Then they thought if the election went ahead that Hillary Clinton would win and be the puppet of Obama for a time and that he would either rule through her or take direct control during a post election, engineered crises. Now many Evangelicals are hoping they were wrong and the Trump will actually be President but many are still concerned the Obama will still create a false national emergency or thwart the election in some other way by for example manipulating the electoral college which is to vote today and/or by marshal law before his term expires which would open the door for a third term.

While we shouldn't scoff at any of this, and we ought to be open minded the failed track record of these prophecies so far should make us careful. I've read a good sampling of these and in many cases they seem to come from sincere, bible believing brothers, many of them Sabbath keepers but not Adventists. One important lesson is we need to be on our watch because the final deceptions that will test the elect are here and are getting stronger.

Well, I hope most of us are aware of Jonathan Cahn and others who are hot items these days. But, we should also stay true to the proper Bible study methods of interpreting Bible prophecy.

Ellen G. Whites writings are a far better source than the evangelical world.

Cahn was an effective agent in God's hands in showing that 9/11 was a harbinger of God's displeasure at our national apostasy. Did he identify Obama as anti-Christ? Cahn was also a faithful watchman regarding the SCOTUS gay marriage decision of 2015 and the support that decision was given by the President. But he stopped short of identifying Obama as the anti-Christ if I remember right.

We don't have an official position as a church on the identity of the anti-Christ but we share the belief that Satan will impersonate Christ. We can agree on that much - that when this occurs we will be witnessing the anti-Christ. And there will be human leaders that will be controlled by that spirit before and during Satan's personal appearance as Christ.

Here are the main NT references to the anti-Christ.

President Obama doesn't deny that Christ came in the flesh by his words. He denies in effect the mission of Christ to lift men and women from their enslavement to sin. But this didn't originiate with the President. Both political parties are hostile at different levels to the divine law of love and the morality of the Word. And that Word is Christ.

How many times do people have to be wrong about prophecy and who is anti-Christ before we get the hint to stop listening to them and listen to the Bible and SOP.

We know Satan is the dragon and the anti-Christ is Satan's agent on the earth. That agent can be clearly determined in Revelation 13 as the beast. The first beast in that chapter to be exact.

Are we clear on this?

The Reformers all identified the Papacy and the beast with the Anti-Christ. But it's not that cut and dried. That is why I quoted the scripture. The apostle says that there were many anti-Christ's in his day. If that was true then, it's more true now. The lamb-like beast becomes the agent of the dragon too and the image beast is the final one that is given global authority to enforce the mark of 666. An image is not the same as the beast - it is an image of it.

I'll let it rest. I still hope HC will summarize his thoughts.

kland,

I am more convinced that Obama will be President until Christ comes and that Trump will never be inaugurated, but I cannot be dogmatic about a prophecy that has not been fulfilled.

How did God lead His people in the past? They knew without a doubt that Jesus would come in 1843. Oops the year zero through off their calculation by one year. They knew without a doubt that Jesus would come in 1844. Oops the wrong Sanctuary.

We have nothing to fear except we forget how God has led His people in the past. How was that? With infallibility? no! He allowed them to be almost right and then learn from their errors when the time past and they compared the event to the Scriptures.

And you might look up that no message on time quote again and keep it in context. It does not say what you think it says.

A quick look at time-- Daniel 8:14:
The prophecy of the destruction of the Temple.
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After Babylon’s 605 BC defeat of Jerusalem, in 535 BC.

Though the 70 years had ended at the beginning of Cyrus’ reign, the rebuilding of the Temple was not finished, and the Jews had not been fully restored to their homeland because the Lord had also said;

From 605 BC, the 70-years doubled (140 years) ended in 465 BC, Artaxerxes accession year. His first year began in 464 BC.

In Bible prophetic calculations, a year has 360 days. The 2300 days prophesied in Daniel 8:14 are 6 years 4 months and 20 days when compared to the 360-day year.

Ezra

The 6 years has ended; it was Artaxerxes’ 7th year; the 4 months had ended; it was the first day of the 5th month (19 days before the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 were to end).

After the 70 years were doubled, the 2300 literal days (Daniel 8:14) were fulfilled, the Temple had been rebuilt, and Ezra, the priest, was in Jerusalem in time for the cleansing of the Sanctuary on the 10th day of the seventh month in 457 BC.

The 2300 years had the same start date, but ended twice 1843 & 1844











Same evidence is same prophecy that predicted three end dates: literal days, and day for a year 1843 & 1844

The 2300 days were long time, i.e., 2300 years that began and ended on the Day of Atonement.

There could be no fulfillment of the prophecy of the tarrying time between 1843 and 1844 if God had not doubled the 2300 years to end twice based on the same evidence from the same prophecy.


Summary:
From 605 BC, the 70 years ended in 535 BC.
70 years doubled, the 140 years ended in 465 BC.
Artaxerxes first year was 565 BC--his 7th year was 457 BC
When the literal 2300 days ended Ezra was in Jerusalem in 457 BC
Ezra in Jerusalem in the seventh year of the king…on the first [day] of the fifth month as the 2300 days were about to end (6 years 4 months 20 days.
The literal fulfillment of the 2300 days of 8:14 is in Ezra 7:8-9
Starting in 457 The 2300 days/years ended in 1843
Starting in 457 The 2300 days/years ended in 1844
The tarrying time was prophesied to intervene between 1843-1844

The evidence for the final fulfillment 70 weeks twice in the endtime is just as impressive, but I'm not going to take the time to share those pearls here right now.

Due to time constraints That is enough for now for this post

What happened in 1843-44 was completely different from what you are doing. The pioneers studied the prophecies and realized they pointed to a date (yes, they were one year out at first, but remedied that), but they didn't go year after year restructuring their dating system to come up ever different interpretations to fit current events.

The time prophecies pointed to that date --
It was a very important date in the outline of salvation history.

The date was a test on TIME.
It was the climax date of the great timelines -- all leading down to the beginning of the judgment, signifying that the "time of the end" had begun.
There is to be no more "test on time".
From that point God's people were to live in an "any day now" state of readiness.
That understanding comes NOT just from one quote, there are a dozen or more. -- No more test on time concerning the second coming, concerning the close of probation, concerning the outpouring of the holy spirit, or concerning any other event between 1844 and the deliverance of God's people.