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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
True Jews come from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation!!! 1. The 144,000 are NOT Jews. They are Hebrews or Israelites: children of Israel. There is a difference and twelve times over at that. 2. Jews adhere to the religion of the Kingdom of Judah. Paul said he was a Jew (a Pharisee); BUT of the tribe of Benjamin. 3. The 144,000 come out of the tribes of Israel; whereas the Great Multitude come out of all the tribes of the world. BIG DIFFERENCE. /// The promises of God are ONLY with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And ALL are welcome to join.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
True Jews come from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation!!! 1. The 144,000 are NOT Jews. They are Hebrews or Israelites: children of Israel. There is a difference and twelve times over at that. 2. Jews adhere to the religion of the Kingdom of Judah. Paul said he was a Jew (a Pharisee); BUT of the tribe of Benjamin. 3. The 144,000 come out of the tribes of Israel; whereas the Great Multitude come out of all the tribes of the world. BIG DIFFERENCE. /// The promises of God are ONLY with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And ALL are welcome to join. ONLY? That is not true. Because God was speaking to them through Jeremiah, it seemed that way. But hear his word through Isaiah (49:6): Indeed [GOD] says, ' It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
- HEBREWS: To raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
- GENTILES: I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.'
And so we see there a foreshadow of the vision in Revelation (7:4,9): - HEBREWS: And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed ...
- GENTILES: After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues ...
The 144,000 are Hebrews, children of Israel; but the Great Multitude are Gentiles: all sealed for salvation just as Jesus Christ said himself, " For God so loved THE WORLD ..." ///
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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YES! God so loved the world - EVERYONE. And if anyone turns to Him, they become "Abraham's seed." Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
And to WHOM were the promises? ONLY with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And a Jew is not one who is one outwardly (genetic), but a true Jew is one who is one inwardly and circumcision is of the heart. And that will be from every nation, tribe, peoples and tongue.
When one turns to Christ, they cease to be a Gentile.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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YES! God so loved the world - EVERYONE. And if anyone turns to Him, they become "Abraham's seed." Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
And to WHOM were the promises? ONLY with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And a Jew is not one who is one outwardly (genetic), but a true Jew is one who is one inwardly and circumcision is of the heart. And that will be from every nation, tribe, peoples and tongue.
When one turns to Christ, they cease to be a Gentile. So then we agree that: 1. the 144,000 of all Hebrews (Rev. 7:4-8), and 2. the Great Multitude of all Gentiles (Rev. 7:9-17) together make up the saved of the world. Thank you. ///
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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There may be genetic Jews in the 144,000, but ALL of them will be "real" Jews made up of people from all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues. Of those saved ALL will be Jews as defined by Paul in Galatians, made up of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues, and they cease to be Gentiles.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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There may be genetic Jews in the 144,000, but ALL of them will be "real" Jews made up of people from all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues. Of those saved ALL will be Jews as defined by Paul in Galatians, made up of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues, and they cease to be Gentiles. Why are you lying to yourself? Whose misinterpretation are you trying to protect? ///
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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Why are you lying to yourself? Whose misinterpretation are you trying to protect? smh
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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You misunderstand the word of God. Jesus never said, "For God so loved the commonwealth of Israel ..." but rather, "For God so loved the world (including the commonwealth of Israel) ..." Luke traces the ancestry of Jesus to Adam, the son of God from whom are all mankind for whom Jesus died.
This is the whole point of the book of Hebrews. Heb 4: "For if Joshua had given them (Israel) rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God."
And again, Heb 11: "These all died in faith (Abel to Abraham), not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them." Hm - did I ever say that God does not love the Gentile? Nope. Why then do you say I misinterpret the scripture? Is it because you have been listening to evangelicals and not the Bible? I don't know. God so loved the world - everyone. Will everyone be saved? Nope. Only those that are in Christ are saved. Abraham was a Christian - he foresaw Christ and was glad, John 8:56. Is the New Covenant for the Gentiles? No! Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And Hebrews 8 is speaking of the Gentiles? Hebrews 8:8-10 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Who is a Jew? Rick has spoken right. Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. To whom is the New Covenant promised? The house of Israel! "Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved." Romans 11:25-26. "The fulness of the Gentiles" is the complete restoration of the house of Israel. All Israel will be saved when all who will hear the voice of the Lord shall have been gathered out. The "lost sheep of the house of Israel" are among all the nations of earth,--the Gentiles after the flesh,--and when they are found and gathered, there will be no more necessity for the preaching of the Gospel. "This Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14 The ending of the times of the Gentiles is the ending of the accepted time, the day of salvation. Note that the New Covenant does not start in AD34. In truth, the Old and New Covenant are not dispensations, but parallel tracks from paradise lost, to paradise restored. The Old Covenant is a covenant of works based on the promises of the people. The New Covenant is based on the promises of God and accepted by Faith. Salvation is found only under the New Covenant. The 144,000, will be of the House of Israel only - true Jews, not genetic Jews. They will be the ones who are alive at the very end of time. Again read what scripture says, it will be people from all nations, and all the ends of the earth, not just Jews.. Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; YES!!! That is true!!! Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. True Jews come from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation!!! So what then is your definition of a "true Jew"?
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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YES! God so loved the world - EVERYONE. And if anyone turns to Him, they become "Abraham's seed." Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
And to WHOM were the promises? ONLY with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And a Jew is not one who is one outwardly (genetic), but a true Jew is one who is one inwardly and circumcision is of the heart. And that will be from every nation, tribe, peoples and tongue.
When one turns to Christ, they cease to be a Gentile. So then we agree that: 1. the 144,000 of all Hebrews (Rev. 7:4-8), and 2. the Great Multitude of all Gentiles (Rev. 7:9-17) together make up the saved of the world. Thank you. /// The 144,000 are made up of all or Gods people who make it alive through the time of trouble, its not just Jews.
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Re: The 144,000 and the Great Multitude from the Great Tribulation
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So what then is your definition of a "true Jew"? I did not think I was being cryptic with the verses I quoted. Do you disagree with 2 I listed???? Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ’s, then are you Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. In Galatians 3, to whom was the promise? I have not listed the verses, but surely you know them; the New Covenant, to whom is it offered? After answering this, then it is clear that ALL who are saved must be in Christ, and then they are heirs to the promise. This will include people from all nations, tongues, and peoples.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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